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First Aspect

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So when you said gas prices don't set the price of electricity, what you meant was gas prices set the price of electricity most of the time because they are linked?

I like the part where the Guardian has gone to a turkey farm for their views on Christmas. Funnily enough, the turkeys are happy with the current state of affairs that Christmas is only a single day of the year.
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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Haha, is this a fair observation?

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Just another take on the left when young, right when old theory?
Nothing new.

I actually think that that's a more recent phenomenon than is made out, and in any case masks a number of counter-movements. Most of the true-blue card-carrying Tories I've known (my parents, for instance) were ever thus, as an 'aspirational' thing (pretending that they weren't, in essence, part of the 'working class').

I can sympathise with the Rick Chaseys of this world who think that the support for Reform by the old is a big 'FU' to younger generations, as was Brexit, salting the earth just before they shuffled off this mortal coil.
 
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Pblakeney

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I actually think that that's a more recent phenomenon than is made out, and in any case masks a number of counter-movements. Most of the true-blue card-carrying Tories I've known (my parents, for instance) were ever thus, as an 'aspirational' thing (pretending that they weren't, in essence, part of the 'working class').

I can sympathise with the Rick Chaseys of this world who think that the support for Reform by the old is a big 'FU' to younger generations, as was Brexit, salting the earth just before they shuffled off this mortal coil.

Meh. It is just a generalisation amplified by the internet. My Dad for example swears he hasn't changed but has gone from Liberal to Reform.

I miss the ongoing study that was Chasey. Started off on BR as a Liberal city slicker and ended up as a commuter belt tory.
He hated being called out on that even more than he hated old people, and what he hated most was it being pointed out that all his woes were down to his personal choices.
 
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Meh. It is just a generalisation amplified by the internet. My Dad for example swears he hasn't changed but has gone from Liberal to Reform.

I miss the ongoing study that was Chasey. Started off on BR as a Liberal city slicker and ended up as a commuter belt tory.
He hated being called out on that even more than he hated old people, and what he hated most was it being pointed out that all his woes were down to his personal choices.

Yeah, I'm quite sure that there are plenty of people like your dad who are trying to pull up the drawbridge after them to preserve some mythical past which never existed, but I think there are are also plenty of a similar who are revulsed by Reform. If the voting patterns of Topsham (overall considerably older, more educated, and wealthier than average) are anything to go by, they found neither the Tories nor Reform an attractive proposition at the last election. Though I might be unpleasantly surprised at the local elections, I guess.
 

Pblakeney

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Yeah, I'm quite sure that there are plenty of people like your dad who are trying to pull up the drawbridge after them to preserve some mythical past which never existed, but I think there are are also plenty of a similar who are revulsed by Reform. If the voting patterns of Topsham (overall considerably older, more educated, and wealthier than average) are anything to go by, they found neither the Tories nor Reform an attractive proposition at the last election. Though I might be unpleasantly surprised at the local elections, I guess.

There might just be a correlation there. 😉 Unfortunately, I think your fears are founded. Reform won't really be found out until in power. 😢

PS - My Dad will happily admit that being sent to the "right school" doesn't necessarily make you clever. The school tie did help his career though.
 
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There might just be a correlation there. 😉 Unfortunately, I think your fears are founded. Reform won't really be found out until in power. 😢

PS - My Dad will happily admit that being sent to the "right school" doesn't necessarily make you clever. The school tie did help his career though.

It's an interesting generation, where few went to university: neither of my parents did (though Mum did a year of teacher training), so assessing their educational level is rather hit & miss, as opportunities were hit and miss too. Even at our age, it was only something like 10% who went to university.
 
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That said, it's troubling when friends of one's own generation start regurgitating the far right talking points about asylum seekers, LTNs, Rachel Reeves etc, with no critical thinking applied between whatever news sources they are consuming and the opinions they feel comfortable espousing. It's especially baffling when people in the SW bang on about small boat arrivals, given that they have almost exactly zero impact on the SW: it's more symptomatic about how their prejudices have been warped by RW media with an agenda of demonising foreigners. Rather than recognise all the nice things they have, they spend their lives worrying about people who have absolutely no impact on their privilege.
 

Pinno718

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Very long post, sorry - tl;dr if you like.

Born in Kenya and having gone to a multicultural school - my best friend was Kubilay Khan (seriously). [His parents were with the Turkish Embassy and they had the very interesting and huge family tree on the wall]. In my school were Muslims, Sikh's, Hindu's, Christians, Catholics, South Koreans, Japanese - you name it. No Americans. The Americans went to the International School of Kenya (ISK) with it's Olympic swimming pool and top notch facilities/teachers. 99% US children.

But back in the UK, I was subject to prejudice from Jo Public - 'it's alright for you, you had servants and chauffer's and lived the life of Riley. 'Why aren't you black?' 'If you like Africa so much, why don't you go back there?' [polite versions]. I was even on the receiving end of prejudice from teachers. Like I had a silver spoon in my mouth. In Kenya we didn't own a TV or a washing machine. Our house was rented. Our landlord was black (good guy). We had a cleaner and washer woman called Anna - she was part of the family. She had her own accommodation paid for by us, paid holidays, paid maternity leave. 1 third of my mothers salary was paying her, 1 third rent and the rest we had to live on (for a while).
So the difference between the reality and the stereotype was stark. The lack of understanding of different cultures - all Asians are 'Paki's' amongst many white people. Like him or loathe him, George Galloway is one of the few politicians that has crossed the cultural divide. I have met George on a few occasions - that's another story.

If you have innate prejudices then you were always walking the tightrope between what you actually felt and what you thought was socially acceptable to say. Now we are increasingly living in an environment where people display that inner prejudice and feel no shame. Uncle Bob from Shoreditch always had reservations about the darkies but now Uncle Bob feels empowered by the flag shaggers and a political movement that blames all the brown people. The more the rhetoric of immigration and the problems associated with high numbers is pushed and pushed with underlined and in bold - cost, crime (actual or perceived), loss of culture (actual or perceived), the more that sector of the proletariat feel cemented and clear in their position. The louder the noise, the deeper the cultural isolation becomes. The prejudiced already felt threatened in the first instance and it's easy to shout hatred under the protection of the mob, re-enforcement through media and a political party.

The Jenrick's, with their private educations, can present a political view with silky articulation and the gammon's suck their cocks with glee and empowerment and a feeling of representation. They don't actually fully understand the articulation nor the manipulation behind the spiel. It just sounds good and it's very convincing - especially as it ticks the boxes of people made to feel powerless against the onslaught of millions coming to take their culture away and eat the Swans and make the country go to the dogs. Never once questioning their own apathy, their own lack of understanding or a different pov and an inability to see a bigger picture.

From the MAGA playbook, page 101:
Get the recipient to agree that immigration is a problem, convince them that you have the solution and if you don't find a solution, the country is going to be ruined and you'll have no health care and there will be no money to fix anything and granny won't have a home to go to because it will be full of Somali's and the schools will go to ruin. If the recipient doesn't agree, they in denial of the fact. They are also anti-British with added implication of traitor. 'The government have done that before, it's not working therefore we need to do x, y and z and then the country (and you) will be saved'.
It was always difficult to legislate for thick but now we have an added bonus feature; intelligent racists who are in politics and are in politics to wield the prejudice with justification fuelled and promoted by the bugle's of well presented, seemingly factual hate; Daily Heil, GB News, X etc.
 

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Very long post, sorry - tl;dr if you like.

Born in Kenya and having gone to a multicultural school - my best friend was Kubilay Khan (seriously). [His parents were with the Turkish Embassy and they had the very interesting and huge family tree on the wall]. In my school were Muslims, Sikh's, Hindu's, Christians, Catholics, South Koreans, Japanese - you name it. No Americans. The Americans went to the International School of Kenya (ISK) with it's Olympic swimming pool and top notch facilities/teachers. 99% US children.

But back in the UK, I was subject to prejudice from Jo Public - 'it's alright for you, you had servants and chauffer's and lived the life of Riley. 'Why aren't you black?' 'If you like Africa so much, why don't you go back there?' [polite versions]. I was even on the receiving end of prejudice from teachers. Like I had a silver spoon in my mouth. In Kenya we didn't own a TV or a washing machine. Our house was rented. Our landlord was black (good guy). We had a cleaner and washer woman called Anna - she was part of the family. She had her own accommodation paid for by us, paid holidays, paid maternity leave. 1 third of my mothers salary was paying her, 1 third rent and the rest we had to live on (for a while).
So the difference between the reality and the stereotype was stark. The lack of understanding of different cultures - all Asians are 'Paki's' amongst many white people. Like him or loathe him, George Galloway is one of the few politicians that has crossed the cultural divide. I have met George on a few occasions - that's another story.

If you have innate prejudices then you were always walking the tightrope between what you actually felt and what you thought was socially acceptable to say. Now we are increasingly living in an environment where people display that inner prejudice and feel no shame. Uncle Bob from Shoreditch always had reservations about the darkies but now Uncle Bob feels empowered by the flag shaggers and a political movement that blames all the brown people. The more the rhetoric of immigration and the problems associated with high numbers is pushed and pushed with underlined and in bold - cost, crime (actual or perceived), loss of culture (actual or perceived), the more that sector of the proletariat feel cemented and clear in their position. The louder the noise, the deeper the cultural isolation becomes. The prejudiced already felt threatened in the first instance and it's easy to shout hatred under the protection of the mob, re-enforcement through media and a political party.

The Jenrick's, with their private educations, can present a political view with silky articulation and the gammon's suck their cocks with glee and empowerment and a feeling of representation. They don't actually fully understand the articulation nor the manipulation behind the spiel. It just sounds good and it's very convincing - especially as it ticks the boxes of people made to feel powerless against the onslaught of millions coming to take their culture away and eat the Swans and make the country go to the dogs. Never once questioning their own apathy, their own lack of understanding or a different pov and an inability to see a bigger picture.

From the MAGA playbook, page 101:
Get the recipient to agree that immigration is a problem, convince them that you have the solution and if you don't find a solution, the country is going to be ruined and you'll have no health care and there will be no money to fix anything and granny won't have a home to go to because it will be full of Somali's and the schools will go to ruin. If the recipient doesn't agree, they in denial of the fact. They are also anti-British with added implication of traitor. 'The government have done that before, it's not working therefore we need to do x, y and z and then the country (and you) will be saved'.
It was always difficult to legislate for thick but now we have an added bonus feature; intelligent racists who are in politics and are in politics to wield the prejudice with justification fuelled and promoted by the bugle's of well presented, seemingly factual hate; Daily Heil, GB News, X etc.

I gave your post a like because I recognise what you say, but but but

If a country allows a section of the population to feel left behind, hopeless, defeated you are storing up trouble. Ibelieve we are reaping the results of Britain's rapid deindustrialization, and that the educated middle-class have chosen to ignore the former miners, farm workers , factory workersand their children.

So I think referring to people as stupid or similar is just choosing to ignore their situation and gives ammunition to the cynical likes of Jenrick.
 

Pblakeney

Squire
I gave your post a like because I recognise what you say, but but but

If a country allows a section of the population to feel left behind, hopeless, defeated you are storing up trouble. Ibelieve we are reaping the results of Britain's rapid deindustrialization, and that the educated middle-class have chosen to ignore the former miners, farm workers , factory workersand their children.

So I think referring to people as stupid or similar is just choosing to ignore their situation and gives ammunition to the cynical likes of Jenrick.

In my opinion, anyone who thinks Farage and Jenrick are the solution is stupid. They are grifters.
That's not to say that the country is anywhere near in a good state, but they are not the solution.
 
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