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Rusty Nails

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Young people today report significantly higher levels of worry, anxiety, and lower levels of self-confidence than past generations did at the same age.

I feel pretty certain that virtually no-one on this forum would have accepted the possibility of 24 hour location monitoring by their parents from their teens on.

I worry about the young people of today and feel lucky I never had the need or technology to track the whereabouts of my children, who are now in their forties.
 
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Pross

Guru
Which I suppose also highlights a major issue with introducting "Right to Roam" and why some areas of Scotland are excluded from such rights.

I saw something on the Bannau Brycheiniog social media earlier about one of their wardens having to clear away a ‘wild’ camping set up including tent, chairs and maggot infested food. Maybe it becomes a norm for someone used to leaving all their stuff at a festival and they feel they can do the same on a beach or in a National Park
 

Pblakeney

Shaman
Young people today report significantly higher levels of worry, anxiety, and lower levels of self-confidence than past generations did at the same age.

I feel pretty certain that virtually no-one on this forum would have accepted the possibility of 24 hour location monitoring by their parents from their teens on.

I worry about the young people of today and feel lucky I never had the need or technology to track the whereabouts of my children, who are now in their forties.

If I was a said “young person”, I’d turn off the tracking.
 

AuroraSaab

Epic Member
But you haven't. They know that they have already paid for it to be cleared up and recycled. They are paying £325 for a ticket. That includes the cost of clean up.
You could apply that to everything from leaving litter in the countryside to not taking your trolley back to the stand in Tesco. There's invariably someone paid to clear up our crap, because there's a need for someone to clear it up because someone left it.
 

Psamathe

Legendary Member
My financial adviser has reduced my pensions exposure to AI.
I'm all but forced to have a sit down meeting with my investment manager once a year (although my "manager" is more of a representative of the investment company and he's more of a tax reduction specialist so has to ask the investment teams). Last year month before the meeting I explained I considered AI investment a high risk of a bubble that may easily burst and I asked for details of my funds investments in and exposure to AI. At the meeting they had over a side of A4 with the answer from their teams in London.

Basically they summarised by grouping investments into broad categories total for "tech funds" is only 10% of the capital as they've been pulling out of the tech investments over the last few years combined with reducing their US investments as back then they saw Trümp getting elected as a "risk" that would have major consequences.

I do remember at the review a few years back them saying they were reducing their exposure to US as they saw it as increasing risk so confess I was reassured by their decision then and status now.
 

icowden

Pharaoh
You could apply that to everything from leaving litter in the countryside to not taking your trolley back to the stand in Tesco. There's invariably someone paid to clear up our crap, because there's a need for someone to clear it up because someone left it.

No you can't. I haven't bought a ticket for the countryside. I want my £1 back from the trolley.
We have made tents disposable so people dispose of them knowing that they have paid for disposal.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
No you can't. I haven't bought a ticket for the countryside. I want my £1 back from the trolley.
We have made tents disposable so people dispose of them knowing that they have paid for disposal.

In the same way we’ve made food containers disposable so that people can just chuck them anywhere knowing they have paid for disposal.

If those people who go to festivals and pack up their tents and take them home should they get a refund?
 
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Psamathe

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n the same way we’ve made food containers disposable so that people can just chuck them anywhere knowing they have paid for disposal.

If those people who go to festivals and pack up their tents and take them home should they get a refund?
My worry about that approach is it becomes a commercial consideration. People would be deciding whether to pack and reuse on the basis of refund vs additional work. Maybe I'm too idealistic but I'd rather people did things because it's the right thing to do, for reasons of sustainability, recognising we only have the one planet and thus destroying it is rather daft.
 

icowden

Pharaoh
In the same way we’ve made food containers disposable so that people can just chuck them anywhere knowing they have paid for disposal.
But they haven't. They have only paid for the container. if the Fast Food place was forced to do their own cleanup and fined if their packaging was found as litter, the food would be more expensive but the streets would be cleaner.
If those people who go to festivals and pack up their tents and take them home should they get a refund?
Probably - but that's down to the business model of the festival organiser. The organiser has to make sure that the field they have used is back to being as clean as it was before they hired it. Most big festivals accept that they are going to be left with a massive pile of crap to clean up, so they now have a process - reclaim then clear and recycle what's left.
 

Pross

Guru
IMO the problem has increased since festivals like Reading became the thing to do for middle class students after their A levels who like to pretend they’re slumming it.

Not sure about Reading but my impression of festivals is that they are becoming more of a middle-age, middle-class thing (or at least a wide variety of ages) so the posts on here about the kids being responsible for leaving their stuff behind are potentially unfair.
 

Dorset Boy

Senior Member
Not sure about Reading but my impression of festivals is that they are becoming more of a middle-age, middle-class thing (or at least a wide variety of ages) so the posts on here about the kids being responsible for leaving their stuff behind are potentially unfair.

Reading and Leeds are both full of 17-20 yos, they're well known as the festivals that age group goes to.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
Most big festivals accept that they are going to be left with a massive pile of crap to clean up, so they now have a process - reclaim then clear and recycle what's left.

So they have normalised the dumping of "crap" which is inconvenient to carry out...even though it was carried in.

Fully understand why festivals do that but am still saddened that they have had to.

I went on a rafting trip down the Grand Canyon 25 years ago and we could leave nothing behind, literally having to take our own crap out of there.
 
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laurentian

Active Member
I was at a festival last weekend (15,000+ people). On the last day I saw the only piece of litter I had seen all weekend - an empty lager can. I picked this up and put it in the (nearby) recycling bin. Not all festivals are the same.
 
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