BRFR Cake Stop 'breaking news' miscellany

[Beebo]

anyone know what Goodwin’s point is?
Is he suggesting that White pupils are stupid and incapable of gaining places at Grammar schools.
These schools have always been supported by the right wing, as being the places where the best pupils can attend on merit.

I would suggest that it shows many immigrants are highly motivated, which has to be a good thing.

 

[farfromtheland]

I dunno about Essex girls but I was always a fan of the Stones.

 

[Pblakeney]

Being "part of the community" in the small villages in that area is a very very high bar and living there for a long time is almost certainly not enough (as above I lived in a small village not far away and they are "weird" - I managed to bypass much of it through unusual means that wouldn't apply to most).

Too true. I've lived in this village for 22 years. I'm still an outsider.
Same applies when I go "home" now. Maybe I should just take the hint. 😉

 

[All uphill]

I'm amused when I hear people dreamily talking about idyllic village life. My memory of the village where I grew up was of vile, gossiping, envious, hate-filled people. And that was just the church congregation!

 

[Psamathe]

Too true. I've lived in this village for 22 years. I'm still an outsider.

Where I was once one family offered to organise the Parish Council Bank Holiday Treasure Hunt. So they printed A4 fliers and stuck them up on lamp posts and around the village ... and then I saw one of the "born here" true villagers going round tearing down all the fliers as those organising "were not proper villagers".

Apparently I "bypassed" being classified either way as I purchased my old stone house to completely save it (extensive renovation) and blocked a builder which got me "good boy points". Sort of accepted enough such that one winter evening getting home from work found in the snow somebody had crashed into my drystone wall (just leaving damaged wall) and they are expensive and no note left, no phone number. So I decided to find out who and put word to one "true villager" that I was not impressed and within the hour somebody came round profusely apologising not appreciating the damage they'd done (surprised their car didn't need towing away), etc.

 

[Beebo]

I dunno about Essex girls but I was always a fan of the Stones.

Dartford boys is a separate school. It has the Mick Jagger centre for performing arts.

Im quite familiar with the Grammar schools in Kent/ SE London. The pushy middle class white parent now has to compete with the pushy migrant parent. Tutoring is big business around here to get kids into the best schools.
The sad thing is that working class white kids have been squeezed out, but that is because education is under valued in that part of society, and they can’t or won’t spend money on tutoring so are being out gunned by people who will.

 

[farfromtheland]

Where I was once one family offered to organise the Parish Council Bank Holiday Treasure Hunt. So they printed A4 fliers and stuck them up on lamp posts and around the village ... and then I saw one of the "born here" true villagers going round tearing down all the fliers as those organising "were not proper villagers".

Apparently I "bypassed" being classified either way as I purchased my old stone house to completely save it (extensive renovation) and blocked a builder which got me "good boy points". Sort of accepted enough such that one winter evening getting home from work found in the snow somebody had crashed into my drystone wall (just leaving damaged wall) and they are expensive and no note left, no phone number. So I decided to find out who and put word to one "true villager" that I was not impressed and within the hour somebody came round profusely apologising not appreciating the damage they'd done (surprised their car didn't need towing away), etc.

I can appreciate a sense of local protectivity. No one wants second-homers pricing their children out.

How does that extend into crass narrow-mindedness? I don't exactly know, having never lived in a village.
Some of my family were forced out of one though. I'd like to understand the underlying mentality.

 

[farfromtheland]

Dartford boys is a separate school. It has the Mick Jagger centre for performing arts.

Im quite familiar with the Grammar schools in Kent/ SE London. The pushy middle class white parent now has to compete with the pushy migrant parent. Tutoring is big business around here to get kids into the best schools.

I know the difference, having taught nearby. Don't, please, characterise migrant parents as pushy though. That's far from my experience.

 

[Psamathe]

I can appreciate a sense of local protectivity. No one wants second-homers pricing their children out.

In that area (villages north of Oxford) 2nd homes were not an issue and no locals priced out by them.

<offtopic>Parish council in the village where I lived had a default policy of objecting to any planning application for house extensions (exceptions eg to care for elderly parent, etc.). The reason was they were worried about the mix of housing in the village where small lower priced homes would gradually be turned into larger more expensive homes leaving few houses for lower down the housing ladder</offtopic>

 

[Pblakeney]

In that area (villages north of Oxford) 2nd homes were not an issue and no locals priced out by them.

<offtopic>Parish council in the village where I lived had a default policy of objecting to any planning application for house extensions (exceptions eg to care for elderly parent, etc.). The reason was they were worried about the mix of housing in the village where small lower priced homes would gradually be turned into larger more expensive homes leaving few houses for lower down the housing ladder</offtopic>

Similar to here. Houses are generally sold to family members, friends, friends of friends etc, etc, which keeps the prices down.
There are new build developments which aren't selling as they are priced well above the local market. The developers are nonplussed.

 

[secretsqirrel]

I know the difference, having taught nearby. Don't, please, characterise migrant parents as pushy though. That's far from my experience.

I concur. I would say they can be more motivated tho’ and its not hard to understand why.

 

[farfromtheland]

Similar to here. Houses are generally sold to family members, friends, friends of friends etc, etc, which keeps the prices down.
There are new build developments which aren't selling as they are priced well above the local market. The developers are nonplussed.

This is good stuff. Burst the property bubble and much interesting rethinking must happen.

 

[farfromtheland]

I concur. I would say they can be more motivated tho’ and its not hard to understand why.

Partly because their minds haven't been narrowed as much by contemporary British education methods?
Like 'Maths facts' and Science rote from text books

 

[farfromtheland]

And dumbing down the National Curriculum to raise pass rates?

Last time I looked into this Jamaican school maths was 2 years in advance of British.

 

[Psamathe]

This is good stuff. Burst the property bubble and much interesting rethinking must happen.

Village I live in now (long way from north of Oxford), housing market is somewhat anti-developer. Developers only build 3/4/+ bedroom "premium" properties and they just don't sell whilst similar sized non-developer houses are selling fine.

One small (15'ish) house development near me has been unfinished for years as they use selling some to fund finishing of others to sell to fund finishing more and they just don't sell (and that is really angering those who have purchased as they are forever living on a building site without a proper road).

My guess as to the block is developers set unrealistic price and are not flexible plus what they build is just really booring, just like hundreds of other properties you see everywhere, no character and squeezed into tiny plots.