But Where Are You Really From?

[matticus]

The nasty people on line are just one of many.symptoms of an underlying problem that's been there for a long time.

When we start to expose, and try to tackle that problem, there will inevitably be push back.

Where I have a problem is you conflating nasty racists online, with Lady Hussey being rude/insensitive. It's just too blunt an approach to say they're all part of the same underlying problem. I think you'll find many of us view "racist" as a very serious allegation.

 

[mudsticks]

Where I have a problem is you conflating nasty racists online, with Lady Hussey being rude/insensitive. It's just too blunt an approach to say they're all part of the same underlying problem. I think you'll find many of us view "racist" as a very serious allegation.

"I think you'll find"

You think some of us don't find it a serious allegation.??

However racism comes in many forms, covert, overt, institutionalised, thinking and unthinking.

Probs many other forms too numerous to list here, but I'd better not as I should get really be getting on with my work >>>>

 

[icowden]

For information:-
No employees have total benefits over £60k for this charity
https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regId=1179934&subId=0

Yep, but I think Benefits is stuff like pension and private healcare, not salary.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I'll say! Did it not occur to Ngozi Fulani to check Hussey's pronouns, instead lazily stereotyping and assuming she was talking to a cisgendered, hetero-normative female and addressing per as 'Lady'!
Woke my arse.

Was it asleep?

 

[Bromptonaut]

1 is enough isn't it?

Nothing I say will reach your numerical threshold, I would have thought the CRE, a couple of professors and various Guardian journalists and the Labour party all dropping the term because it causes offence would be enough, but clearly not.

Therefore you feel free to keep using a term which you know causes offence to a large number of people on a thread which is all about the outrage around how 1 person has been offended.

You have been blinded on this one because it is me picking you up and you have no way to back down.

I assume when you use the term CRE you're actually referring to the Commission on Racial and Ethnic Disparity (aka the Sewell Commission) and not the long abolished Commission for Racial Equality. As I'm sure you know the conclusions of the Sewell Commission are not universally accepted.

The bit I've bolded is nonsense on stilts.

The term BAME is criticised for being insufficiently specific and for a variety of reasons no longer helpful:

https://equalities.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/07/why-we-no-longer-use-the-term-bame-in-government/

It might though still be useful, in the absence of an agreed replacement, as a cover all term. I used it in that context.

You cannot show where it's been said to be offensive can you?

 

[Rusty Nails]

You cannot show where it's been said to be offensive can you?

It would be helpful if he could at least show one person is on record as having been offended by it, and stop making up spurious "facts" to continue arguing his case even when he can back none of it up.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

I assume when you use the term CRE you're actually referring to the Commission on Racial and Ethnic Disparity (aka the Sewell Commission) and not the long abolished Commission for Racial Equality. As I'm sure you know the conclusions of the Sewell Commission are not universally accepted.

The bit I've bolded is nonsense on stilts.

The term BAME is criticised for being insufficiently specific and for a variety of reasons no longer helpful:

https://equalities.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/07/why-we-no-longer-use-the-term-bame-in-government/

It might though still be useful, in the absence of an agreed replacement, as a cover all term. I used it in that context.

You cannot show where it's been said to be offensive can you?

It would be helpful if he could at least show one person is on record as having been offended by it, and stop making up spurious "facts" to continue arguing his case even when he can back none of it up.

What is wrong with you two? Why can't you just accept you are both wrong and move the on without using an outdated and offensive term which you are somehow defending the use of by making me jump through a hoop of 'show us who is offended'?

Anyway how about
Ammo Talwar MBE..... https://www.ukmusic.org/news/uk-mus...to-ditch-outdated-and-offensive-bame-acronym/

https://www.fairplaytalks.com/2021/...lish-offensive-bame-bme-acronyms-in-uk-rises/

My guess is it still will not be enough that even one person is offended, while on this thread about one person being offended!

 

[Bromptonaut]

What is wrong with you two? Why can't you just accept you are both wrong and move the on without using an outdated and offensive term which you are somehow defending the use of by making me jump through a hoop of 'show us who is offended'?

Anyway how about
Ammo Talwar MBE..... https://www.ukmusic.org/news/uk-mus...to-ditch-outdated-and-offensive-bame-acronym/

https://www.fairplaytalks.com/2021/...lish-offensive-bame-bme-acronyms-in-uk-rises/

My guess is it still will not be enough that even one person is offended, while on this thread about one person being offended!

So you were saying that the acronym was used.....

knowing that it offends a large section of the ethnic minority community

And after a couple of hours furious Googling you've found two quotes from individuals/pressure groups we've never heard of.

 

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[icowden]

And after a couple of hours furious Googling you've found two quotes from individuals/pressure groups we've never heard of.

Not often that I come to @Craig the cyclist's defence but

https://equalities.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/07/why-we-no-longer-use-the-term-bame-in-government/
and
https://www.theweek.co.uk/inequality/952389/has-the-term-bame-become-unhelpful
Are fairly solid that BAME is not a great term to use, and the second article reflects that some ethnic minorities find it a little on the offensive side...

In March, the independent Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, launched by Boris Johnson after the Black Lives Matter protests last July, recommend scrapping the label as one of its “key proposals”, reported The Telegraph.

The term ‘BAME’ emphasises certain ethnic minority groups (Asian and black) and excludes others, such as the ‘mixed’, Gypsy, Roma and Traveller and ‘other white’ ethnic minority groups that also face negative disparities. ‘BAME’ is also often used as a proxy for “non-white”, which can be unintentionally divisive.

Perhaps more importantly though, many ethnic minorities themselves say they do not like the term ‘BAME’, a finding that has been reinforced by recent research commissioned by the Cabinet Office Race Disparity Unit (RDU) during the pandemic.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Not often that I come to @Craig the cyclist's defence but

https://equalities.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/07/why-we-no-longer-use-the-term-bame-in-government/
and
https://www.theweek.co.uk/inequality/952389/has-the-term-bame-become-unhelpful
Are fairly solid that BAME is not a great term to use, and the second article reflects that some ethnic minorities find it a little on the offensive side...

I'd actually quoted the first of those upthread. I'm happy to accept that BAME is being 'withdrawn from use' for reeasons set out in the 'Sewell Review' - ie being too broad a brush for the way in which issues facing differing minorities manifest themselves. However there's not really any replacement portmanteau term where you're looking, as here, across the range of people for whom 'Where Are You Really From' is wheeled out.

My argument with @Craig the cyclist is with his going full on binary on the issue (post #147) and accusing those of us using the term of bad faith.

That was the post described:

Wowza!
Nought to vinegar strokes in one brief post. Respect.

Although expecting any sort of good faith from Craig is a triumph of optimism over experience

 

[Craig the cyclist]

My argument with @Craig the cyclist is with his going full on binary on the issue (post #147) and accusing those of us using the term of bad faith.

That's weird, your main argument up to now seems to have been that I didn't have the numbers behind my claim!

Now someone else has said something similar you aren't demanding 'how many' anymore. You are even admitting you know the term is outdated, but when I pointed that out you demanded a number from me!

 

[fozy tornip]

So how are we supposed to refer to non-Aryans now, then?

 

[BoldonLad]

So how are we supposed to refer to non-Aryans now, then?

Would “people” do the trick?

 

[qigong chimp]

Hardly. We wouldn't want to be sending over-staying Aussie students to Rwanda. That wouldn't be right.