But Where Are You Really From?

[matticus]

Although denying someone elses lived and recounted experience of racism doesn't exhibit much in the way of allyship.

I'm not denying the woman's experience - I'm just saying it wasn't racism. Do you see?

 

[matticus]

Well i'm sure you feel very big and brave for doing that - what a hero 👍🏼

Thanks!

But really, let's both keep our forum spouting of wisdom in perspective, shall we? as Barack Obama said:
"Calling people out on the internet isn't activism
Did you see how woke I was, I called you out"

 

[mudsticks]

I'm not denying the woman's experience - I'm just saying it wasn't racism. Do you see?

Yes I do know that's what you're saying.

However you're trying to deny the racism in a situation where it has been very clearly laid out how and why it was racist.
Even if it was 'unconciously' done racism on the part of Lady Hussey.

To her it is / was normal behaviour.

Although how she's managed to get this far in her position and never been challenged on her ways I don't know.

Maybe no one ever dared previously.??

I know a few similar sorts of whom people will say "Oh they're too old to change their mindset now"
But personally I think that's doing a disservice to older people.

 

[mudsticks]

Thanks!

But really, let's both keep our forum spouting of wisdom in perspective, shall we? as Barack Obama said:
"Calling people out on the internet isn't activism
Did you see how woke I was, I called you out"

I don't recall saying it was 'activism' this is just a discussion forum right?

There are other places where activism can take place.

 

[matticus]

However you're trying to deny the racism in a situation where it has been very clearly laid out how and why it was racist.

Has it? All I see is a bunch of assertions that "behaviour X or words Y are racist", when in fact they do not meet any accepted definition of racism.

Of course I cannot think why anyone would choose to label an aging white associate of the royal family racist, hard to imagine that would promote any agenda, or be fuelled by pre-conceptions ... all very odd ...

 

[Ian H]

Here's a link to read for its comedy value more than anything (further down there's a link to her husband's obituary, which renders him in all his hideous glory).
View: https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1598407634964676609?s=19

 

[winjim]

Looking her up, it does after all seem that she was relatively inexperienced, having only held her current position since September. Prior to that she was a woman of the bedchamber, making personal arrangements for the queen and answering letters. So she may well not actually have had much prior professional contact with black charity workers from Hackney.

It was racist though.

 

[mudsticks]

"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized"

Is a fairly standard definition of racism .

It's what Lady Hussey was doing to ms Fulani.

If you can't see that, well I'm not going to waste any further time trying to persuade you .

... real world activism to undertake >>>>>

 

[fozy tornip]

About as much as I do when someone asks questions more to show their own self-regarding 'eloquence' rather than to elicit an answer.

I groan and move on.

Amen to that. When I rock up here to chuckle along to barely literate racist grunting, carefully constructed sentences in English are the last things I need to be reading.
Talk about buzz-kill.

 

[fozy tornip]

Looking her up, it does after all seem that she was relatively inexperienced, having only held her current position since September. Prior to that she was a woman of the bedchamber, making personal arrangements for the queen and answering letters. So she may well not actually have had much prior professional contact with black charity workers from Hackney.

It was racist though.

Shoo-in for Home Secretary.

 

[mudsticks]

Here's a link to read for its comedy value more than anything (further down there's a link to her husband's obituary, which renders him in all his hideous glory).
View: https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1598407634964676609?s=19

Ah yes the classic "One legged Marmaduke" defence

 

[Ian H]

Has it? All I see is a bunch of assertions that "behaviour X or words Y are racist", when in fact they do not meet any accepted definition of racism.

Of course I cannot think why anyone would choose to label an aging white associate of the royal family racist, hard to imagine that would promote any agenda, or be fuelled by pre-conceptions ... all very odd ...

Sorry Matt, you're wrong. It's seeing skin colour and an 'exotic' name and effectively denying that this person could just be British by birth & by culture. Consider that any black person will have to withstand comments on the lines of 'go home, you don't belong here' and less polite variants. Then even when you achieve some recognition for your work, as Fulani has done, you are confronted with that same blind prejudice. No wonder she feels aggrieved. At least she's spoken out about it.

 

[winjim]

"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized"

Is a fairly standard definition of racism .

It's what Lady Hussey was doing to ms Fulani.

If you can't see that, well I'm not going to waste any further time trying to persuade you .

... real world activism to undertake >>>>>

I think I've mentioned before how I heard someone on the radio talking about how we have a single word, 'racism' which covers such a wide range of attitudes and behaviours that it begins to feel inadequate. All the way from unintended and unconscious microaggressions, to discrimination at work, to some very nasty situations indeed. It's all racism.

 

[icowden]

1. You clairvoyant then?, you have no idea what the conversation was about, but, it most definitely had nothing to do with "heritage"

The way you described it, made it seem as such.

2. Was the person who is the "victim" in this thread told to do that?

If that happens to you a lot, if your "heritage" is repeatedly held against you, it's just possible that when asked, you might get annoyed. I didn't suggest that that happened in this instance, but I can see how it might get annoying if you get asked a lot.

Two of my colleagues in my last job (both female) went to Morocco together on holiday. One was British but with Moroccan heritage and the other British but with Indian heritage. The customs operative refused to accept that they were British and insisted that they were Moroccan and Indian, and put that on their paperwork. They were quite affronted by this.

 

[mudsticks]

I think I've mentioned before how I heard someone on the radio talking about how we have a single word, 'racism' which covers such a wide range of attitudes and behaviours that it begins to feel inadequate. All the way from unintended and unconscious microaggressions, to discrimination at work, to some very nasty situations indeed. It's all racism.

Yup I know, and I think any of us even the most well meaning can do it, so much of it just sloshes about in our 'culture' that we don't even realise we're being off, til we think about it a bit harder, or have it pointed out.

The main point is to realise what we've said or done and try to do better.

Who knows? Maybe Lady Hussey will have a few 'lightbulb ' moments of her own, sure she's bright enough to work it all out really.
Probs had a v expensive education, after all.