Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?

[First Aspect]

This thread has got interesting in that I can't work out who is trolling whom.

It is more that not everyone immediately defers to your informed view. That's not *exactly* the same thing as trolling.

 

[First Aspect]

Not just for this issue. My impression is that "the market" is controlled by business and they have different aims other than the needs of society. Business is seeking every greater profits irrespective of the impact that has on anything.

Like the "self-regulation", those supposedly regulating themselves have very different aims than the purposes of the needed regulation.

Ian

Another example would be nuclear. If you take the short term view - it's expensive and risky, so risky that big business needs government help. Therefore it shouldn't happen.

Thing is, without someone raking the risk, nothing will happen at all, and nothing would previously have happened to decarbonise.

 

[PurplePenguin]

It is more that not everyone immediately defers to your informed view. That's not *exactly* the same thing as trolling.

The thread has the Trump troll, Israel troll and Patent troll all posting. It's confused me.

 

[First Aspect]

The thread has the Trump troll, Israel troll and Patent troll all posting. It's confused me.

Ooh you bitch.

 

[First Aspect]

A one-time boss of mine, a lifelong Tory, once memorably declared that he strongly believed in a "free market with controls".

Is that a bit like a genuine copy?

 

[secretsqirrel]

In this Trumpian era, has the free market actually just died?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

I am struggling to see this as being market driven.

The market is big, but if you look at in particular eletric car sales, they only rise when the goverments almost given them for free. So that's an clear indication the market refuses something. because the problems it faces like charging time charging infrastructure are not really solved. but rather brushed over.

i'm not in favor of letting the market ''run free'' i think their should be market control meganism because otherwise we get mega coorperations deciding what happening and we have goverments for an reason.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Ooh you bitch.

It was a joke.

 

[Psamathe]

Although I'm still burning hydrocarbons in my car I have long felt that the"Fuel Duty Escalator" should never have been "frozen". We are not close to paying for the environmental/climate damage we are doing.

That said I'm personally not keen on going EV as I'm probably excessively concerned about monitoring/privacy and from what I can see from my brother's EV experience EV's love sending out data about what they've been up to. We get concerned about allowing Chinese companies supply infrastructure (eg 5G network stuff) yet seem to not think about buying their EVs and what information and control they'll get from that. But then I'm almost certainly at one extreme of the scale in that regard.

Ian

 

[First Aspect]

It was a joke.

So was that. I still love you, don't worry.

 

[First Aspect]

Although I'm still burning hydrocarbons in my car I have long felt that the"Fuel Duty Escalator" should never have been "frozen". We are not close to paying for the environmental/climate damage we are doing.

That said I'm personally not keen on going EV as I'm probably excessively concerned about monitoring/privacy and from what I can see from my brother's EV experience EV's love sending out data about what they've been up to. We get concerned about allowing Chinese companies supply infrastructure (eg 5G network stuff) yet seem to not think about buying their EVs and what information and control they'll get from that. But then I'm almost certainly at one extreme of the scale in that regard.

Ian

The data issues isn't confined to EVs. Bit of a digression but if you follow the Karen Reid trial in the US, she's basically going to be convicted based on vehicle telemetry (she reversed over her boyfriend, allegedly, and according to her car).

My issue with the escalator was that it exploited a captive market. This is still somewhat true, because the cost of EVs and their infrastructure doesn't leave some or indeed most people an option.

We are getting close to the tipping point though.

 

[Stevo 666]

The thread has the Trump troll, Israel troll and Patent troll all posting. It's confused me.

If trolls are patented then some forumites might have to pay royalties 🙂

 

[CXRAndy]

Although I'm still burning hydrocarbons in my car I have long felt that the"Fuel Duty Escalator" should never have been "frozen". We are not close to paying for the environmental/climate damage we are doing.

That said I'm personally not keen on going EV as I'm probably excessively concerned about monitoring/privacy and from what I can see from my brother's EV experience EV's love sending out data about what they've been up to. We get concerned about allowing Chinese companies supply infrastructure (eg 5G network stuff) yet seem to not think about buying their EVs and what information and control they'll get from that. But then I'm almost certainly at one extreme of the scale in that regard.

Ian

Any modern car has tracking, diagnostics sending information, just because it's an ICE vehicle doesn't exclude data collection. You then have the phone in your pocket, laptop, debit card. You are being tracked by everything you do just about

 

[briantrumpet]

It was a joke.

Have you not done the corporate emoji training available? 🤔😜

 

[BoldonLad]

In this Trumpian era, has the free market actually just died?

Was there ever a free market?, there have always been and will always be vested interests.