Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?

[Stevo 666]

Was there ever a free market?, there have always been and will always be vested interests.

I think the argument has always been about how free they should be. There will always need to be some rules but its easy and tempting for governments and supra-national bodies to go too far and stifle growth/profitability.

 

[Ian H]

Was there ever a free market?, there have always been and will always be vested interests.

A free market depends on competition. Nowadays competition is gradually being replaced by monopolistic suppliers. The thing is that, without regulation, that's the natural trajectory of capitalism - ever increasing concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands.

 

[BoldonLad]

A free market depends on competition. Nowadays competition is gradually being replaced by monopolistic suppliers. The thing is that, without regulation, that's the natural trajectory of capitalism - ever increasing concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands.

The status-quo is not fixed, technical innovation, changing circumstances produce opportunities for the nimble to get in the loop. Vested interests attempt to prevent this.

 

[Pblakeney]

A free market depends on competition. Nowadays competition is gradually being replaced by monopolistic suppliers. The thing is that, without regulation, that's the natural trajectory of capitalism - ever increasing concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands.

Further to that, I do not think it is possible for growth to be never ending without destroying the planet as far as humans are concerned.
At which point growth will definitely cease.

 

[Ian H]

The status-quo is not fixed, technical innovation, changing circumstances produce opportunities for the nimble to get in the loop. Vested interests attempt to prevent this.

And start-ups that look promising are bought out by the big boys before they can offer serious competition.

 

[BoldonLad]

And start-ups that look promising are bought out by the big boys before they can offer serious competition.

A genuine question, because, I have no idea of the answer, where did Bezos pop up from?

Who bought up Microsoft?

Who bought up Apple?

Their day will come, once upon a time, the maxim in IT was “no one ever got fired for buying IBM”

 

[CXRAndy]

Bezos got electrical engineer, computer science degree, moved into finance and progressed to finance and then development of Internet starts up business opportunities.

The Amazon online store started on July 5, 1994, when Jeff Bezos launched it as an online bookstore under the name "Amazon.com." Initially operating from his garage in Bellevue, Washington, the site began selling books to customers across the U.S. and expanded internationally by 1996. It later diversified into other products, becoming a general e-commerce platform by the late 1990s.

Bill gates was a computer programmer (genius)

Apple(computers) came from Steve jobs, Wozniak and Wayne?

 

[Ian H]

A genuine question, because, I have no idea of the answer, where did Bezos pop up from?

Who bought up Microsoft?

Who bought up Apple?

Their day will come, once upon a time, the maxim in IT was “no one ever got fired for buying IBM”

They, plus Alphabet and Meta, are the ones doing the buying.

 

[BoldonLad]

They, plus Alphabet and Meta, are the ones doing the buying.

Yes NOW they may be, but, they were once minnows. They will grow and grow, then, some smart-ass will dream up a new dodge, in his/her bedroom/garage, and, history will repeat itself, just like in nature, as per Darwin.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Although I'm still burning hydrocarbons in my car I have long felt that the"Fuel Duty Escalator" should never have been "frozen". We are not close to paying for the environmental/climate damage we are doing.

That said I'm personally not keen on going EV as I'm probably excessively concerned about monitoring/privacy and from what I can see from my brother's EV experience EV's love sending out data about what they've been up to. We get concerned about allowing Chinese companies supply infrastructure (eg 5G network stuff) yet seem to not think about buying their EVs and what information and control they'll get from that. But then I'm almost certainly at one extreme of the scale in that regard.

Ian

Sadly like other have stated in the meantime it's not limited too electric cars, and technically we don't need it in these cars either, however they do often come with it and i agree with your concerns.
Yes the concerns that others posted are sadly true weae being tracked on every movement already but, if i watch what i buy and i buy an android phone that has the option to unlock the bootloader i can still install an AOSP android version and control which data i share, hell you even can go google-less if you really wanted to yes it's an whole different experience but you can.
With the OS on a car it's different, you can't un-spy them. opt-out or control it.

 

[Psamathe]

A genuine question, because, I have no idea of the answer, where did Bezos pop up from?

Who bought up Microsoft?

Who bought up Apple?

Their day will come, once upon a time, the maxim in IT was “no one ever got fired for buying IBM”

Do IBM produce anything anybody can buy these days?

Something I'd seen from several sources at different times and whilst I dislike the guy, he is right on this (from 2018):

Jeff Bezos tells employees 'one day Amazon will fail'
“Amazon is not too big to fail … In fact, I predict one day Amazon will fail. Amazon will go bankrupt. If you look at large companies, their lifespans tend to be 30-plus years, not a hundred-plus years,” Bezos told staff, according to a recording that was heard by CNBC.

Ian

 

[First Aspect]

Average age of a US corporation is about 20, I believe.

(This was from a client of mine about to lose their job because their us corporate employer is shortly going to be subsumed into a larger one, after 20 years)

 

[BoldonLad]

Do IBM produce anything anybody can buy these days?

Something I'd seen from several sources at different times and whilst I dislike the guy, he is right on this (from 2018):

Ian

No idea about IBM, I only used them as an example because in my youth, they were the “big guys”in the computing world, which was dominated by mainframes. Then, DEC (and others). Came along with mini computers, and so on and so on. To me, it is like evolution, a business becomes dominant, but, they lose their edge, or, circumstances change, a “Bezos” comes along, and so on and so on.

 

[Psamathe]

No idea about IBM, I only used them as an example because in my youth, they were the “big guys”in the computing world, which was dominated by mainframes. Then, DEC (and others). Came along with mini computers, and so on and so on. To me, it is like evolution, a business becomes dominant, but, they lose their edge, or, circumstances change, a “Bezos” comes along, and so on and so on.

I guess a skill becomes seeing the potential decline and"getting out" before the fall. Confess I do have some savings and investing in UK is not particularly sensible but interesting that my yearly review with investment company in 2023 they said they were already dis-investing from US Tech stocks (I am obliged to have a face to face meeting with the investment company every year to review investments, status, etc.).

Ian

 

[BoldonLad]

I guess a skill becomes seeing the potential decline and"getting out" before the fall. Confess I do have some savings and investing in UK is not particularly sensible but interesting that my yearly review with investment company in 2023 they said they were already dis-investing from US Tech stocks (I am obliged to have a face to face meeting with the investment company every year to review investments, status, etc.).

Ian

Having investments and or savings is not a crime, no confession required.i strongly suspect you are not unique on this forum, unless, that is, the rest are master criminals. 😂

To me, the “investing” bit is using the evolutionary cycle, not making it. Knowing when to get out is the primary skill, IMHO.

I wish I was that skilled 😂