Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?

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matticus

Guru
https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-uk-praises-welsh-governments-roads-review-299329

Seems the Welsh government fo accept that he right to drive 5 miles in a 2 tonne box is a threat to our existence.

You'd think this guy would be all in favour of Active Travel:

"However, the National Transport Plan has been criticised by one of Labour’s former transport ministers, Ken Skates, who accused his party and the independent review of “ignoring citizens”."

(and keen on pothole fixes, one would hope!)
 

albion

Veteran
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/look-revolutionary-wind-turbine-light-8154015.amp

Probably 1.5kw units. I justt hope they got paid or are free for being part of the advertising.

Every little helps?
 

albion

Veteran
On those, seems the Ventum Dynamics actually give the data for this 2m tall unit.
Potential output varies from 187w at 6 m/s to 1.5kw at 13 m/s.
Those windspeeds are 21.6 km/h and 46.8 km/h

So about 4kw/h per 'ok wind day'.
 

Milzy

Well-Known Member
Anyone who thinks net zero is possible is an absolute throbber. China keep building more coal powered power stations. E.V’s create a lot of modern slavery & pollution.
 

icowden

Legendary Member
China keep building more coal powered power stations
So naturally everyone should just give up trying to save the planet.

. E.V’s create a lot of modern slavery & pollution.
Modern slavery is not the sole province of EVs. That you are posting here suggests you are complicit in dodgy mining etc. EVs do not pollute. They only use power available in the Grid which can be entirely green if we try hard enough.
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
So naturally everyone should just give up trying to save the planet.


Modern slavery is not the sole province of EVs. That you are posting here suggests you are complicit in dodgy mining etc. EVs do not pollute. They only use power available in the Grid which can be entirely green if we try hard enough.

They MAY pollute LESS, but, they do pollute.

What about the dust and particulates from tyre wear, what about the myriad (oil based) plastics in their construction, what about the actual manufacturing process, what about the raw materials used to make them, etc etc?

There is more to pollution that what comes out of the exhaust pipe.
 
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Milzy

Well-Known Member
So naturally everyone should just give up trying to save the planet.
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Modern slavery is not the sole province of EVs. That you are posting here suggests you are complicit in dodgy mining etc. EVs do not pollute. They only use power available in the Grid which can be entirely green if we try hard enough.

I believe in what this guy says. 50% of our power is renewables so EV’s are polluting. We have a bio mass power station in our area. Wood chippings are shipped from Canada to it. I think you need to do more research. Save the planet? All the plastic dumped into the oceans is worse than burning fossil fuels. The oceans clean the air more than the rain forests.

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mudsticks

Squire
I believe in what this guy says. 50% of our power is renewables so EV’s are polluting. We have a bio mass power station in our area. Wood chippings are shipped from Canada to it. I think you need to do more research. Save the planet? All the plastic dumped into the oceans is worse than burning fossil fuels. The oceans clean the air more than the rain forests.

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It's great that you're environmentally concerned but you could try a bit more rational joined up thought, to enhance effectiveness.

All the plastic dumped in the ocean is not 'worse' than burning FF .
Yes that plastic being there is terrible, and shouldn't happen, but climate change driven by burning fossil fuels is changing weather patterns and creating disruption that is already making parts of the globe nigh on unlivable, and destroying habitats for whole species.

The plastic in the ocean doesn't affect its ability to absorb CO 2. It has other terrible effects on many things yes.

As for EVs , for sure they're not a perfect solution, we need to drive less as a whole wherever the energy comes from, use more public transport, car pool, cycle etc.

Not necessarily expect to have our own private car, and not just scrap older cars and purchase a new electric car as if that's the 'greener' thing to do, when so much embodied energy is in the car manufacturing itself.

But there will still be a need for some individual vehicles for deliveries, tradespeople, people with disabilities etc.

We do need to transition faster to a much lower carbon way of living for sure, conserve resources, and better take up the options for carbon sequestration, such as looking after our soils, appropriate tree planting peatlands and sea grass, esturine mud banks and so on.
 

matticus

Guru
Cant see the point with debating with someone like Milzy. He just blasts out random statements with no clear view. Here's his only other post on this thread:

We are not doing enough. Every new house built should have solar panels fitted. The price of the house can be adjusted higher to pay for this. All energy saving goods should be VAT free.

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icowden

Legendary Member
What about the dust and particulates from tyre wear, what about the myriad (oil based) plastics in their construction, what about the actual manufacturing process, what about the raw materials used to make them, etc etc?
And these aren't present in your ICE car, your computer or your mobile phone? That we are using resources and failing to recycle is an issue but it is not one that can be solely parked at the door of EVs.
 

icowden

Legendary Member
I believe in what this guy says. 50% of our power is renewables so EV’s are polluting.
But the same EV isn't polluting in Norway where 99% of the power is renewables. So we have Schrodinger's EV?
Or is it just possible that it's not the EV that is polluting but the fuel source. So we have moved away from making polluting vehicles to needing to fix our power generation. That, to me, is an improvement. If we shut down Drax and stop burning gas overnight, magically our EVs become greener.

We have a bio mass power station in our area. Wood chippings are shipped from Canada to it.
I have stated before that bio mass should not be considered green or renewable and should be banned. We need more solar and wind, and to be investing on improving it so that we generate more power.
 

Ian H

Guru
And these aren't present in your ICE car, your computer or your mobile phone? That we are using resources and failing to recycle is an issue but it is not one that can be solely parked at the door of EVs.

The manufacturing of an EV is much more environmentally damaging - I've seen figures of between 15% and 68% more than ICE cars, depending on the size of the vehicle. If you change your vehicle regularly (every 3 years is common) you're not being remotely 'green'.
 

albion

Veteran
Tyre particles are transitioning to becoming the main vehicle pollution with current EVs increasing this in a very heavy way.
 
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