AndyRM
Elder Goth
I've lost count of the number of times I've watched it. Never fails to make me laugh.
'Commercialising sexuality - son of superman is bisexual'
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I've lost count of the number of times I've watched it. Never fails to make me laugh.
winjim
Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
It sums up and debunks a lot of homophobic attitudes really beautifully.
mudsticks
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cookiemonster
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mudsticks
Squire
mudsticks
Squire
And I'm going to repeat here.
"Heterosexual women - proof - if it were needed - that sexuality isn't a choice"
Cirrus
Active Member
People who never change their views in these discussions berating you for not changing your mind in these discussions, quite funny really.
mudsticks
Squire
It would be nice if people genuinely didn't care.
If they found the fact that son of superhero X is portrayed as bisexual, as unremarkable as superhero X being portrayed as heterosexual.
Unfortunately this isn't the case yet.
There are people who are persecuted, harassed and even killed for being anything other than straight.
Until that stops being a thing, for anyone, we've got some work to do.
Normalising through representation can be part of this work.
D
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How naïve are you?
You genuinely think seeing more and more Gay/Lesbian, Mixed race couples etc on the television makes the people that need 'educating' more tolerant?
I'll let you into a little secret, it doesn't, it makes matters worse.
The more people see of this 'representation' I see the more think 'FFS, more PC sh*t on again'.
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mudsticks
Squire
You are just describing your own attitude, and maybe some of your friends and family.??
Not everybody, feels as you do.
Where did the 'FFS' attitude come from.??
But , anyway, in your opinion, how do we get people to be more tolerant, so that we don't need to have young people worrying about 'coming out' or getting bullied, or worse by ignorant people.??
You're also forgetting that all sorts of people being represented, helps those people feel more confident, and accepted in the world.
Imagine if one of your children, grandchildren, or the same of your friends turned out to be bi-sexual, for instance.
You wouldn't want them feeling there was something 'wrong' with them.
Or have them being bullied would you.?
Rusty Nails
Country Member
You have a point. What is the best way to educate a bigot?
You seem to know some, as you know how they think, so should we just ignore that these "others" exist in not insignificant numbers and sweep it under the carpet, or try to get people to accept that difference is a normal fact of life by portraying it more often in depictions of life on TV and films ... and not just those set in Leicester.
Presumably you do not think there is anything wrong in belonging to one of those groups you mentioned in your second line so should every programme be a fully accurate representation of the population in all respects or is some licence to be allowed in the hope of improvement in attitudes to these groups of people.
the snail
Active Member
I don't think so. In order for a group to form the majority, they would need to be >50% of the whole. In iccowden's example, every group is a minority. In parliament, if a party doesn't have over 50% of seats, they can only form a minority government.
icowden
Legendary Member
Yes. It is about normalisation. There is a fantastic example of this at the moment on Strictly. Much hoo-hah was made over the show having a same sex male couple. Number one it's hilarious that people were upset that a show as camp as strictly has a same sex couple. More importantly, when you watch the dances choreographed by Johannes, they are amazing. No "who is the lady and who is the man?" nonsense because of the way that the dances have been staged. The dance becomes normal, it just happens to be two men dancing rather than a man and a woman.
In fact, in their Pirates of the Caribbean dance, my main complaint is that John Whaite's role as Jack Sparrow wasn't camp / drunk enough!
If we go back 50 years, on the TV, women, the disabled and minorities were represented largely as being inferior. Anyone with a physical disability was hidden away and we called each other "spastic" in the playground. We have moved on quite a long way since then, and it's a bit sad to see that there are still terrified people who can't move on to "live and let live".
mudsticks
Squire
Tee hee.
I'll show the others , they'll doubtless find it funny too.
Of course it's nsfw but hey -
I'm 'the boss' so I get to decide
winjim
Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
I'm not sure that the UK parliamentary system is the best example to use if you want to demonstrate a definitive and immutable definition of the word 'majority'.
Anyway... talk of representation of minorities on television brings to mind Whoopi Goldberg's reaction to seeing Lt Uhura on Star Trek. She reportedly ran through the house all excited shouting 'Come quick, come quick, there's a black lady on television and she ain't no maid!'. There was a black role model, an officer on a spaceship set in the future and it made Goldberg realise that she could aspire to be anything she wanted. And of course she ended up on Star Trek herself. So it's not 'PC shoot', it's really important in terms of demonstrating to people who may not otherwise realise that they can succeed, they can have opportunities, they can do what they want to do. Black kids thinking they have to be second class citizens, gay kids afraid of bullies, trans kids scared to be who they really are, we need to show them. This is what art and culture does, yes it reflects society but it should do so in a way which makes us think, and also demonstrate a better society which we can all aspire to be a part of. All of us.
