Cruella Braverman...

[multitool]

Is now centred in far east?

Pretty much.

244 million of them in China alone vs only about 8 million in India and 2 million in Nepal.

 

[fozy tornip]

In the same way Christianity is centred in Rome, maybe?

 

[fozy tornip]

This is Suella's tribe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triratna_Buddhist_Community

 

[multitool]

In the same way Christianity is centred in Rome, maybe?

Christianity is a little different, as you well know, because there is a defined leader of the most prominent sect, a Brazilian who works in The Vatican State.

But, anyway, despite your tedious attempts to set elephant traps, and in keeping with the thread, all of this is just evidence of multiculturalism, albeit it on a more expansive temporal scale.

 

[C R]

Christianity is a little different, as you well know, because there is a defined leader of the most prominent sect, a Brazilian who works in The Vatican State.

But, anyway, despite your tedious attempts to set elephant traps, and in keeping with the thread, all of this is just evidence of multiculturalism, albeit it on a more expansive temporal scale.

Argentinian

 

[multitool]

Slip of the finger

 

[C R]

Kenan Malik gives a nuanced view of how well multiculturalism actually works.

He highlights something that I mentioned before, a sort of trap the left keeps falling in. In the rush to defend multiculturalism, the left tends to turn a blind eye to the sort of people that erect themselves as leaders of certain communities. Personally, I think organisations like the muslim council of Britain and other similar ones should not be allowed to portray themselves as the representatives of "muslim" communities, because that label in itself is misleading, and puts secularists in those communities at a distinct disadvantage.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...itain-trouble-starts-when-we-try-to-manage-it

 

[BoldonLad]

Christianity is a little different, as you well know, because there is a defined leader of the most prominent sect, a Brazilian who works in The Vatican State.

But, anyway, despite your tedious attempts to set elephant traps, and in keeping with the thread, all of this is just evidence of multiculturalism, albeit it on a more expansive temporal scale.

“Works”, interesting choice of word, personally, I would have use “lives”, or, “resides”

 

[C R]

“Works”, interesting choice of word, personally, I would have use “lives”, or, “resides”

Indeed.

 

[BoldonLad]

Kenan Malik gives a nuanced view of how well multiculturalism actually works.

He highlights something that I mentioned before, a sort of trap the left keeps falling in. In the rush to defend multiculturalism, the left tends to turn a blind eye to the sort of people that erect themselves as leaders of certain communities. Personally, I think organisations like the muslim council of Britain and other similar ones should not be allowed to portray themselves as the representatives of "muslim" communities, because that label in itself is misleading, and puts secularists in those communities at a distinct disadvantage.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...itain-trouble-starts-when-we-try-to-manage-it

Makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[C R]

Makes a lot of sense to me.

It doesn't mean Braverman is right. If anything the likes of her make it harder for minorities within minorities, because it brings a siege mentality to those communities where it gets harder to be different.

 

[multitool]

Personally, I think organisations like the muslim council of Britain and other similar ones should not be allowed to portray themselves as the representatives of "muslim" communities, because that label in itself is misleading, and puts secularists in those communities at a distinct disadvantage.

"secular muslims". That's a new one on me.

Something a little unusual happened over a decade ago in this country. Younger generations of 'muslim' families started pressuring their parents to become stricter and more 'conservative' in their observance of Islam. I definitely saw it happen within the Bangladeshi community.

 

[C R]

"secular muslims"

That's a new one on me

I didn't say secular muslims, I said secularists in communities which are portrayed as muslim to the benefit of people like the mcb.

A bit like allowing the church of England to speak for all "white" communities.

 

[fozy tornip]

Christianity is a little different, as you well know, because there is a defined leader of the most prominent sect, a Brazilian who works in The Vatican State.

But, anyway, despite your tedious attempts to set elephant traps, and in keeping with the thread, all of this is just evidence of multiculturalism, albeit it on a more expansive temporal scale.

Elephant traps?

 

[multitool]

I didn't say secular muslims, I said secularists in communities which are portrayed as muslim to the benefit of people like the mcb.

A bit like allowing the church of England to speak for all "white" communities.

Well, I've just had a perusal of the MCB website and I can't find any indication that they are attempting to speak for secular people with ethnic background in Muslim countries. Quite the opposite in fact, because the word that keeps popping up is 'mosque'. Everything seems centred around organising through mosques.

Indeed, they even have a FAQ relating to non-muslim 'muslims':