Cruella Braverman...

[multitool]

Elephant traps?

And faux naiveté.

Like I said, all a bit tedious. You should at least be aware that your MO is startlingly obvious.

 

[Ian H]

"secular muslims". That's a new one on me.

Something a little unusual happened over a decade ago in this country. Younger generations of 'muslim' families started pressuring their parents to become stricter and more 'conservative' in their observance of Islam. I definitely saw it happen within the Bangladeshi community.

That might possibly be a consequence of labelling people as 'Muslim' rather than, say, Black or Asian or whatever, in a hostile or pejorative way. They might seek the reassurance of 'belonging'.

 

[multitool]

A bit like allowing the church of England to speak for all "white" communities.

Well of course if they tried, it wouldn't wash because "white" communities would recognise the ridiculousness of it.

Perhaps, the notion that Muslim organisations are trying to hoodwink us whiteys into thinking they speak for secular Bangladeshis, Arabs, Indians, Pakistanis etc speaks more to the whiteys ignorance of these communities than anything else.

Maybe you could cite this as a failure of multiculturalism, but given that last weekend the MCB ran a weekend of opening Mosques to all as a community friendship action it seems the problem may lie with the whitey rather than the Muslim.

 

[multitool]

That might possibly be a consequence of labelling people as 'Muslim' rather than, say, Black or Asian or whatever, in a hostile or pejorative way. They might seek the reassurance of 'belonging'.

Yes, I agree. See also my earlier post about younger generations becoming more devout than their parents, in the fallout from 9/11, and it's long list of global consequences.

 

[C R]

You do know that for people like the mcb if you are born to muslim parents you are muslim, whether you want to be or not. They may be all happy clappy when it suits them, but the control they exert within their communities is stifling.

 

[C R]

Yes, I agree. See also my earlier post about younger generations becoming more devout than their parents, in the fallout from 9/11, and it's long list of global consequences.

Saudi money pumped into "outreach" before and after 11/09/2001 may also have something to do with that.

 

[multitool]

You do know that for people like the mcb if you are born to muslim parents you are muslim, whether you want to be or not. They may be all happy clappy when it suits them, but the control they exert within their communities is stifling.

I don't know that, because I know very little about the MCB. That isn't to say that I accept what you say without question, but nor do I discount it.

 

[multitool]

Saudi money pumped into "outreach" before and after 11/09/2001 may also have something to do with that.

Possibly, but I think it is fair to say muslims felt under attack in their own country after 9/11, as they were expected to own it.

 

[Ian H]

You do know that for people like the mcb if you are born to muslim parents you are muslim, whether you want to be or not. They may be all happy clappy when it suits them, but the control they exert within their communities is stifling.

You could say the same for Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and doubtless other faith groups.

 

[newfhouse]

That isn't to say that I accept what you say without question, but nor do I discount it.

@BoldonLad - How did you hack Tool’s account?

 

[multitool]

@BoldonLad - How did you hack Tool’s account?

We are One.


Mu ha ha ha ha haaaaaa

 

[fozy tornip]

And faux naiveté.

Like I said, all a bit tedious. You should at least be aware that your MO is startlingly obvious.

You're right it makes no odds to, may season, Suella's multicultural pot, but she subscribes to a designedly and determinedly western Buddhist organisation.

It's not always about you.

 

[multitool]

It's not always about you.

Twelve of your last fifteen posts have been.

Weirdo.

 

[Ian H]

You're right it makes no odds to, may season, Suella's multicultural pot, but she subscribes to a designedly and determinedly western Buddhist organisation.

It's not always about you.

You ever read Christmas Humphreys' book on Zen [Buddhism]. It has its roots in Theosophy. Judge Humphreys had no qualms about putting the black handkerchief on his head.

 

[C R]

You could say the same for Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and doubtless other faith groups.

Strictly, you aren't a catholic until you are baptised. It used to be that babies who were stillborn could not be buried as catholics as they weren't baptised.

Regardless, the influence of protestant vs catholic sectarianism is seen as a bad thing, and no one in the left had a problem pointing out, rightly, that Ian Paisley was a nutter, but there seems to be reticence to point out that same nuttery when it is spoused by muslims, hindus, etc. That reticence works to the detriment of communities that are labelled by their religion.