Does anybody here take the Greens seriously?

[Ian H]

So, some councils are more equal than others?

Yes. Somerset is unitary, so one body in overall charge of the county.
For comparison, Devon is two-tier, with the county council, responsible for most of the county except Torbay and Plymouth, and regional councils underneath it (though not for long).

 

[First Aspect]

Yes. Somerset is unitary, so one body in overall charge of the county.
For comparison, Devon is two-tier, with the county council, responsible for most of the county except Torbay and Plymouth, and regional councils underneath it (though not for long).

I don't really see the distinction. If I live somewhere it has a council, and never more than one of them. All you have said is how the areas are sliced up. It's largely irrelevant, for example that Bristol is separate but not also from a postcode perspective, in Somerset.

 

[briantrumpet]

I don't really see the distinction. If I live somewhere it has a council, and never more than one of them. All you have said is how the areas are sliced up. It's largely irrelevant, for example that Bristol is separate but not also from a postcode perspective, in Somerset.

Eh, no. In Exeter, we've got one (DCC) lot looking after the roads and state education (for instance), and another lot (ECC) looking after planning and waste collection.

 

[First Aspect]

Eh, no. In Exeter, we've got one (DCC) lot looking after the roads and state education (for instance), and another lot (ECC) looking after planning and waste collection.

Er oh.

 

[monkers]

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

The problem looking at Green "policy" is that more news reports don't report "Green Policy" ie they don't report what the party would do were they to win power/influence.

What makes it harder for the Green Party is that it's very democratic and any member can propose "policy" and have it put to the membership whi will vote - and that is what press reports and daft ideas do get through.

That is nonsense, look at Farage, he doesn't have a clear plan, he has a new party every give or take 5 years and he never keeps his words, ok that on itself is an explanation why the tories all run to him, they feel right at home but i digress.

My point is it's not the message but how you bring it, Farage, Boris Johnson, Trump, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton are a few examples, if Barack would start the ''purple party'' in the Us now and run for president (aside from technicalities that may or may not make this impossible) he would be an serious contender

Elections there days are not won by being boring and right they are won by telling what you want to do in simple soundbites and your ability to overpower/ridicule/simplify your opponents points. In an ideal world it would be the other way around but this world isn't ideal.

 

[monkers]

People in the UK are waking up to the onslaught on human rights perpetuated by the billionaire classes and the attacks from the USA.

Greens rising in all polls.

 

[First Aspect]

Sorry you've missed a few steps of reasoning between Reform leading the polls and the Greens doing quite well, to people in the UK waking up to the onslaught on human rights perpetuated by the billionaire classes and the attacks from the USA.

 

[monkers]

Sorry you've missed a few steps of reasoning between Reform leading the polls and the Greens doing quite well, to people in the UK waking up to the onslaught on human rights perpetuated by the billionaire classes and the attacks from the USA.

Silly me.

 

[monkers]

Sorry you've missed a few steps of reasoning between Reform leading the polls and the Greens doing quite well, to people in the UK waking up to the onslaught on human rights perpetuated by the billionaire classes and the attacks from the USA.

To answer your question more properly, I guess I was noticing the trends in public opinion that others were not necessarily as aware of.

The first image shows that both Reform and Conservatives have recently more or less flatlined in their support, and that the trend line shows one to be a mirror of the other. This susggests that the shift in support from Tory to Reform looks to be about complete.

On the other hand the trend lines for this year for Labour and Greens, showing a more or less mirror image shift from one to the other, in party presumably latterly because of the Polanski bounce. While any anomalies might be accounted for by a filtering effect of the Lib Dems.

The second image polling shows that the UK public now place less value on the special relationship that they think looks increasingly hostile towards the UK and Europe.

Also in the news this week, is the fact that net British migration patterns are different from what was expected with a significant increase.

Now you might reasonably argue that what maybe coincidence is not necessarily causation, and I'm happy with that caveat as far as discussion points go. However in the absence of competing theories, I'm tempted to go with that in the meantime.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

https://yougov.co.uk/international/...-that-the-us-is-a-friend-to-the-uk-and-europe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2emzjre62o

 

[First Aspect]

To answer your question more properly, I guess I was noticing the trends in public opinion that others were not necessarily as aware of.

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The first image shows that both Reform and Conservatives have recently more or less flatlined in their support, and that the trend line shows one to be a mirror of the other. This susggests that the shift in support from Tory to Reform looks to be about complete.

On the other hand the trend lines for this year for Labour and Greens, showing a more or less mirror image shift from one to the other, in party presumably latterly because of the Polanski bounce. While any anomalies might be accounted for by a filtering effect of the Lib Dems.

The second image polling shows that the UK public now place less value on the special relationship that they think looks increasingly hostile towards the UK and Europe.

Also in the news this week, is the fact that net British migration patterns are different from what was expected with a significant increase.

Now you might reasonably argue that what maybe coincidence is not necessarily causation, and I'm happy with that caveat as far as discussion points go. However in the absence of competing theories, I'm tempted to go with that in the meantime.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

https://yougov.co.uk/international/...-that-the-us-is-a-friend-to-the-uk-and-europe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2emzjre62o

Is there a causal link to the number of swallows leaving the UK since June. It's a similar trend.

 

[monkers]

Is there a causal link to the number of swallows leaving the UK since June. It's a similar trend.

Then I'd suggest there likely is.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

To answer your question more properly, I guess I was noticing the trends in public opinion that others were not necessarily as aware of.

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That graph shows an often slight increase after election and a slight downgrade before. Exactly my point they don't have an leader that sells there message, whilst Reform, Tories, Partly Labour have an anti-message against where the greens stand for. Not an ideal mix.
I think they would fare better of the Lib dems would get their act together as well, and Corbuyns party so you have at least an strong contenders from all directions, but there is nothing to suggest so far that is ever going to happen

 

[monkers]

That graph shows an often slight increase after election and a slight downgrade before. Exactly my point they don't have an leader that sells there message, whilst Reform, Tories, Partly Labour have an anti-message against where the greens stand for. Not an ideal mix.
I think they would fare better of the Lib dems would get their act together as well, and Corbuyns party so you have at least an strong contenders from all directions, but there is nothing to suggest so far that is ever going to happen

For those people who would like to see a party from the left with a strong charismatic leader standing up to Reform, then in my opinion the Green Party and Zack Polanski are currently the best hope. The polls are heading that way, but as they say, a week can be a long time in politics.

 

[CXRAndy]

He's a joke, he appeals to the fringe woke young.