Does anybody here take the Greens seriously?

[CXRAndy]

It is a constant battle, cheaper to kill the drug cartels than pay for hundred of thousands and their addictions.

Besides what message does it give to outside criminal gangs when a a government rolls over, accepts the status quo

 

[AndyRM]

Told you @Bromptonaut...

 

[bobzmyunkle]

You seem to be advocating governments negotiate to buy class A drugs from drug cartels.

A new level of f*ckwittery from @CXRAndy with every post. Do you know of any government that buys from drug cartels @CXRAndy?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

So not "banging" on doors or "telling" people what they can or cannot do, but just politely (I hope) informing people of their policies.

Campaigning does not have to be limited to election time.

Gives the people they speak to the chance to ask questions and make an informed decision without the influence of a partisan mainstream media.

I think all those door bangers are f*cking annoying, that why i often just bang the door in their face, i don't need to be polite if you invade my privacy without asking. Nit picking about if they rang the doorbell, knocked, or used police style door hammers (or however one calls those things) is completely missing the point.

The point isthat Campaining is one thing, taking your campaign to poeple's doorstep is the next, especially if you advocate against ''apartheid'' and then show you don;t have a clue what the word ''Apartheid'' means by campaigning to start a other apartheid by baning goods from a certain country.

Personally I think the increase in Green Party membership & support is far more down to the failure of Labour than anything Mr Polanski is doing. I regard him as a weakness (Carla Denyer & Adrian Ward) were much better and Mr Polanski has made me question my intended support for the Party (subject to alternative choices come any election).

Think the problem with many green parties is that they are also very very left, and now within the green it seems tobe some thing he is not left enough and other that he is too left. Not a great recipe for an succes story.

It is a constant battle, cheaper to kill the drug cartels than pay for hundred of thousands and their addictions.

Besides what message does it give to outside criminal gangs when a a government rolls over, accepts the status quo

Or just make medicine just as affordable as in the uk and europe so many groups off poeple don't go to drugs to begin with.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I think all those door bangers are f*cking annoying, that why i often just bang the door in their face, i don't need to be polite if you invade my privacy without asking. Nit picking about if they rang the doorbell, knocked, or used police style door hammers (or however one calls those things) is completely missing the point.

The point isthat Campaining is one thing, taking your campaign to poeple's doorstep is the next, especially if you advocate against ''apartheid'' and then show you don;t have a clue what the word ''Apartheid'' means by campaigning to start a other apartheid by baning goods from a certain country.

You are right of course. In future I shall not answer the door to anyone who hasn't given me a week's notice, in writing, asking my permission to do so.

An Englishman's home is his castle, don't you know? Not that I am English but the principle still stands.

 

[Stevo 666]

It doesn't seem to make it terribly difficult. It does make criminals of users, who then don't seek the help they need. Regulating supplies, cutting out the gangs, and treating addiction as an illness rather than a crime seems entirely logical.

Has it occurred to you that decriminalisation might encourage people to try drugs - effectively that state is saying 'these are OK'. Have a think about the impact on things like, health, crime, ability to work etc.

And if you think that the state becoming an official drug pusher (moral considerations aside) will eliminate the black market in drug then you are very likely mistaken.

 

[Stevo 666]

Has anyone put that forward as policy? Do you and @Stevo 666 have copies of your school reports? I bet they consistently said 'could do better' and 'must try harder'.

Try arguing the point rather than being a smartarse?

 

[Stevo 666]

This isn't what being proposed I don't think, just decriminalisation of users. Possibly safe drug rooms. Don't know but these are sensible policies routinely drowned out by idiotic war on drug right wing commentators transfixed on doing the same things that have never previously worked, but harder.

Doesn't mean I take the greens seriously, just that I don't ignore good policy ideas from parties I don't vote for.

I haven't ignored policies from other parties either, but I know a stupid and unworkable policy when I see one.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Try arguing the point rather than being a smartarse?

Oh come on Stephen. You haven't argued any point since you joined, unless you want to count your Laffer contribution. I seem to remember that wasn't received with much respect.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Has it occurred to you that decriminalisation might encourage people to try drugs - effectively that state is saying 'these are OK'. Have a think about the impact on things like, health, crime, ability to work etc.

Wilful misconstruction.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Has it occurred to you that decriminalisation might encourage people to try drugs - effectively that state is saying 'these are OK'. Have a think about the impact on things like, health, crime, ability to work etc.

And if you think that the state becoming an official drug pusher (moral considerations aside) will eliminate the black market in drug then you are very likely mistaken.

Case in point 'these are ok', ' official drug pusher'? Jesus wept.

 

[Rusty Nails]

It may seem too obvious but it is worth repeating that the argument is about decriminalisation and not legalisation.

Drug supply and sale will still be illegal and the emphasis will be on education and rehab of users rather than punishment. But this will require a change in emphasis on the part of police and also an increase in the resources available for treatment, as well as increasing resources to go after the high level suppliers.

This will not be easy but imo is better than the idea that all you need to do is hit the "druggies" and dealers harder and everything will be fine. That might work in the short term if you send in helicopter gunships to blow the suppliers out of the water but we are not in a Venezuela/US situation with known boat routes, thank God.

 

[TailWindHome]

Has it occurred to you that decriminalisation might encourage people to try drugs - effectively that state is saying 'these are OK'. Have a think about the impact on things like, health, crime, ability to work etc.

And if you think that the state becoming an official drug pusher (moral considerations aside) will eliminate the black market in drug then you are very likely mistaken.

State should "get out of the way of business"

 

[Psamathe]

Has it occurred to you that decriminalisation might encourage people to try drugs - effectively that state is saying 'these are OK'. Have a think about the impact on things like, health, crime, ability to work etc.

Don't look at individual steps as the only step. Decriminalising would be one of many interventions. And in my experience legality does not encourage or discourage people from trying as chances of getting caught by Police is minimal.

And if you think that the state becoming an official drug pusher (moral considerations aside) will eliminate the black market in drug then you are very likely mistaken.

Nobody has proposed state supplying such recreational drugs. Straw Man.

 

[CXRAndy]

Nobody has proposed state supplying such recreational drugs. Straw Man.

Just class A drugs. If you're going decriminalise hard drugs, surely you would do the same for 'recreational' drugs.

This will inevitably lead to more youth experimenting for the first time, as there is no downsides, other than gateway into addiction and more lethal drugs