Does anybody here take the Greens seriously?

[icowden]

My views on this issue aren't exactly unusual. We know how their policy will work out because we can see the results in Spain and Germany. From my viewpoint they aren't good, other than for pimps, traffickers, and sex buyers. If you are happy with that as an outcome, that's fine. I'm not and it's disingenuous of any party that promotes this, backed by Amnesty or not, to claim it's the best solution.

So you don't think the sex workers know what they are talking about, and that policy should be set by people who aren't sex workers. I thought you were all for the sex workers deciding what should happen?

 

[AuroraSaab]

What would you see as a good way for a government to manage this area of human activity?

It's not an area of human activity that is inevitable but leaving that aside the Nordic model would be a start. More services to help people exit prostitution would help.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Well until we do, and the Green Party haven't included that in their plan as far as I know, let's not make rape date drugs more widely available. In fact, let's not chuck out any more bonkers popularist policies without thinking them through.

They'll never be 'widely available'. That's just you trying to feed the scare story again.
As for the 'plan', doesn't that sort of thing have to be debated in parliament before Boots get their stock?
And maybe you could consider checking out the meaning of polularism/popularist.

 

[First Aspect]

It's not an area of human activity that is inevitable but leaving that aside the Nordic model would be a start. More services to help people exit prostitution would help.

Do you think the Greens' drug policies might help with that last part?

 

[AuroraSaab]

So you don't think the sex workers know what they are talking about, and that policy should be set by people who aren't sex workers. I thought you were all for the sex workers deciding what should happen?

I think some sex workers like being sex workers. I bet if you could survey many thousands of them most don't like it. Some people like taking drugs. We don't set drugs policy based on their choice alone.

Women who leave prostitution have a higher rate of PTSD than those who served in armed combat. Maybe hear the stories of those who weren't happy volunteers.

https://www.caase.org/mental-health-impacts-of-sex-trade/

If you’re going down the bodily autonomy argument, we outlaw/discourage lots of things that rely on personal autonomy because we realise it's for the wider social good to do so.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Do you think the Greens' drug policies might help with that last part?

No. Universal basic income might.
I guess they could fund it with the tax from the drugs and brothels. The drug addicts and sex workers in effect paying the middle classes a weekly stipend would be quite something.

 

[First Aspect]

No. Universal basic income might.
I guess they could fund it with the tax from the drugs and brothels. The drug addicts and sex workers in effect paying the middle classes a weekly stipend would be quite something.

You are very definitive on all of this, notwithstanding the range of policies that have been proposed by experts in the field.

Given the interrelationship between prostitution and drug addiction, I am not so sure, myself. But then I don't think I agree fully with either policy. That doesn't make them populist.

What makes the Greens populist is their headline grabbing Robin Hood stuff. I also tend to think their approach to green policies themselves are often populist, in that they are simple headline grabbing and impractical.

The drug and prostitution policies seem to have at least got some grounding in reality, in that they have been tried elsewhere.

 

[Rusty Nails]

It's not an area of human activity that is inevitable but leaving that aside the Nordic model would be a start. More services to help people exit prostitution would help.

Other than some extreme Muslim regimes I am not sure you are right. It might be illegal but that is not the same as non-existant. We are a capitalist nation and where there is a demand there will be a supply (and vice versa).

Most areas of social problems for humans trying to get out of doing something that could harm them would benefit from improved services to help, but sadly that is unlikely in the UK given successive governments' lack of resources for social problems in general.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I disagree that paying for sex is an inevitable part of life, if that's what you mean. It's hard to stop but it's not inevitable. Prostitution exists in strict Muslim theocracies too, it's just hidden more.

 

[BoldonLad]

I disagree that paying for sex is an inevitable part of life, if that's what you mean. It's hard to stop but it's not inevitable. Prostitution exists in strict Muslim theocracies too, it's just hidden more.

Isn’t prostitution said to be the oldest profession on earth?

I did know (not in the biblical sense 😂) a young lady who claimed she chose to be a sex worker. To the best of my knowledge, she did not have a drink or drugs problem. It did appear to be a “career choice”, but, who knows, except for her, presumably.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I disagree that paying for sex is an inevitable part of life, if that's what you mean. It's hard to stop but it's not inevitable. Prostitution exists in strict Muslim theocracies too, it's just hidden more.

It is far more than just hard to stop, as in the example of the strict Muslim theorocracies.

Show a country, other than say Greenland or the Vatican City or countries with more than a few thousand people, where it definitely does not exist.

 

[BoldonLad]

It is far more than just hard to stop, as in the example of the strict Muslim theorocracies.

Show a country, other than say Greenland or the Vatican City or countries with more than a few thousand people, where it definitely does not exist.

I would not bet on Vatican City 😂

 

[Ian H]

It is far more than just hard to stop, as in the example of the strict Muslim theorocracies.

Show a country, other than say Greenland or the Vatican City or countries with more than a few thousand people, where it definitely does not exist.

I read a fairly reputable account that the Vatican has a more than thriving gay scene, including 'rent boys' or male prostitutes.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Isn’t prostitution said to be the oldest profession on earth?

That would be midwifery surely.

 

[AuroraSaab]

It is far more than just hard to stop, as in the example of the strict Muslim theorocracies.

Show a country, other than say Greenland or the Vatican City or countries with more than a few thousand people, where it definitely does not exist.

Lots of things that humans do to others are hard to stop. I think we should work towards stopping them though and not regard them as inevitable.

Countries where religion holds sway don't really try to stop prostitution. They only stop it for the populace in order to maintain religious face, not for the powerful or elite. See Afghanistan's dancing boys and Saudi Arabia's 'potty parties', plus the Catholic Church historically.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...a-potty-parties/amp_articleshow/122143651.cms