CXRAndy
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Except there won't be millions of Jews exterminated
Donald I, emperor of the world.
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Except there won't be millions of Jews exterminated
Pinno718
Active Member
@briantrumpet
I know you like reading stuff - especially in Italian, French an German 'cos you're right posh and sophisticated like but the Elon - Trump WWE 'cat fight' narrated by these two is quite a giggle. But humour aside, the hypocricy is highlighted and the positives are potentially MAGA cannibalism amongst other things. Feet up, trumpet down and forget scales: [Trump - 'a snake oil salesman who can't do his make up']
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhLe0ZerPf0
I know you like reading stuff - especially in Italian, French an German 'cos you're right posh and sophisticated like but the Elon - Trump WWE 'cat fight' narrated by these two is quite a giggle. But humour aside, the hypocricy is highlighted and the positives are potentially MAGA cannibalism amongst other things. Feet up, trumpet down and forget scales: [Trump - 'a snake oil salesman who can't do his make up']
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhLe0ZerPf0
briantrumpet
Über Member
briantrumpet
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The new normal
CXRAndy
Legendary Member
The claim that a former FBI agent, accused of involvement in the January 6, 2021, Capitol attack, has been employed by the Trump administration appears to stem from recent reports circulating on X and in some news outlets. Specifically, these reports allege that a former FBI agent, charged with encouraging rioters to attack police during the Capitol riot, has been named an adviser to a Justice Department task force established by President Donald Trump to address perceived "weaponization" of government institutions. Below, I’ll address the context, evidence, and implications of this claim based on available information, while critically examining the narrative and avoiding speculation beyond what’s supported by sources.Background on the ClaimSource of the Claim: Multiple posts on X and articles from outlets like ABC News and The New York Times report that a former FBI agent, previously charged with encouraging the mob to kill police officers during the January 6, 2021, Capitol attack, has been appointed to a role in the Justice Department’s "Weaponization Working Group" under Trump’s administration. This group is reportedly tasked with seeking retribution against Trump’s political adversaries.Details of the Allegation: The former agent in question is Jared Wise, who served as an FBI agent and supervisory agent from 2004 to 2017. Wise was arrested in May 2023 and charged with four misdemeanor counts related to his alleged role in the Capitol attack, including unlawfully entering a restricted building and disorderly conduct. These charges suggest he was present at the Capitol and engaged in actions deemed illegal, though specific details about encouraging violence against police are not fully corroborated in the provided sources.Context of the January 6 Capitol AttackThe Event: On January 6, 2021, a mob of Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol to disrupt the certification of Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory. The attack resulted in five deaths, injuries to approximately 140 police officers, and over 1,500 individuals charged with federal crimes.FBI Involvement: The FBI led the largest criminal investigation in U.S. history, with over 5,000 employees involved in probing the attack. No evidence supports claims that the FBI orchestrated the riot, and a Justice Department Inspector General report confirmed no undercover FBI agents were present, though 26 confidential human sources (informants) were in Washington, D.C., with four entering the Capitol unauthorized.Trump’s Response: After his 2024 election victory, Trump issued blanket clemency to nearly all of the approximately 1,270 individuals convicted in connection to January 6, except for 14 whose convictions stood but whose sentences were commuted to time served. This included individuals convicted of serious crimes like assaulting police, which has fueled controversy and allegations of rewarding lawlessness.Why Was the Former Agent Employed?While the sources do not explicitly detail why Jared Wise was specifically chosen for a role in the Trump administration, several factors provide context for this development:Pardon and Clemency: Trump’s blanket pardon of January 6 rioters likely included Wise, as his charges were misdemeanors, aligning with the majority of cases pardoned. This clemency may have cleared legal barriers to his appointment, framing him as a “victim” of what Trump and his allies call a “weaponized” Justice Department.Alignment with Trump’s Agenda: The "Weaponization Working Group" is described as a task force to investigate and pursue retribution against Trump’s political enemies, a priority of his second term. Wise’s involvement in January 6, combined with his FBI background, may position him as a figure sympathetic to Trump’s narrative that the FBI and DOJ were unfairly targeting his supporters. His insider knowledge of FBI operations could be seen as valuable for this task force’s goals.Political Symbolism: Appointing a former FBI agent accused in the Capitol attack could serve as a symbolic rebuke to the FBI and DOJ, which Trump has accused of being politically motivated against him. This aligns with Trump’s broader efforts to purge or review FBI agents involved in January 6 investigations, as evidenced by demands for lists of thousands of agents for potential firing.Critical AnalysisEvidence Gaps: While X posts and news reports confirm Wise’s appointment, the specifics of his role and the exact nature of his January 6 actions remain unclear. The claim that he “encouraged the mob to kill police officers” appears in multiple X posts and news articles but lacks detailed corroboration in the provided web sources, which only confirm misdemeanor charges like unlawful entry and disorderly conduct. This discrepancy suggests possible exaggeration or unverified details in public reporting, as misdemeanor charges typically do not involve incitement to murder.Controversy and Perception: The appointment has sparked outrage among critics, who see it as evidence of Trump rewarding those involved in the Capitol attack while undermining law enforcement. For example, former law enforcement officials like Michael Fanone, assaulted during the riot, have expressed dismay at the pardons and subsequent appointments of figures like Wise. Conversely, Trump supporters may view this as a corrective measure against perceived DOJ overreach.FBI and DOJ Tensions: The appointment comes amid broader Trump administration actions targeting FBI agents and prosecutors involved in January 6 cases. Over 5,000 FBI employees worked on these investigations, and the administration’s demand for their names has led to lawsuits from agents fearing retaliation. Wise’s appointment could exacerbate these tensions, signaling that former agents aligned with Trump’s narrative may be favored over career officials.Counterarguments and SNP RelevanceLack of Direct SNP Connection: The user’s original question about SNP policy failures in Scotland does not directly relate to this U.S.-based issue. However, if the intent was to draw a parallel (e.g., governance failures or controversial appointments), the SNP’s own controversies, like the Gender Recognition Reform Bill or the Ferguson Marine ferry scandal, involve accusations of prioritizing ideology or loyalty over competence, similar to criticisms of Trump’s appointment of Wise. Both cases highlight public distrust when governments appear to reward controversial figures or mismanage key policies.Potential Misinformation: The claim about Wise encouraging violence against police may be amplified by partisan sources, as seen in the Ray Epps case, where conspiracy theories falsely labeled him an FBI agent orchestrating the riot. Critical examination suggests caution in accepting unverified details without primary court documents or detailed DOJ statements.ConclusionThe appointment of Jared Wise, a former FBI agent charged with misdemeanor offenses related to January 6, to a Justice Department task force under Trump’s administration appears driven by his alignment with Trump’s narrative of DOJ overreach, his pardoned status, and his potential utility in a task force targeting political adversaries. While X posts and news reports confirm the appointment, the specifics of Wise’s actions on January 6 and the exact nature of his role remain partially unclear, warranting skepticism about claims of inciting violence. This move reflects Trump’s broader strategy to reshape the DOJ and FBI, but it risks further polarizing public trust in law enforcement.
briantrumpet
Über Member
I suppose that ignorance might partially explain why America is so so screwed right now.
CXRAndy
Legendary Member
It will be interesting to see how much effect Musk's threat to stand candidates against those Republicans supporting the "Big Beautiful Bill" will have on those Republicans.
Even though Musk doesn't always achieve electoral success, were he to put up well financed opponents from a new partythen that might split the Republican vote and maybe not a massive split is needed to allow a Democrat to win. Bit like Reform achieving few MPs but having a massive impact on the Conservatives.
Or maybe Musk will just go quiet after the bill has passed realising how dependent he is on Government contracts, maybe it's all bluster.
Just a thought, open to different thoughts.
Ian
Even though Musk doesn't always achieve electoral success, were he to put up well financed opponents from a new partythen that might split the Republican vote and maybe not a massive split is needed to allow a Democrat to win. Bit like Reform achieving few MPs but having a massive impact on the Conservatives.
Or maybe Musk will just go quiet after the bill has passed realising how dependent he is on Government contracts, maybe it's all bluster.
Just a thought, open to different thoughts.
Ian
icowden
Shaman
Well the orange shitgibbon is at it again:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w4n8778q2o
Still $15m is rather a long way from $20Bn. It looks like you have to pay off Trump if you want to do a merger.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w4n8778q2o
Still $15m is rather a long way from $20Bn. It looks like you have to pay off Trump if you want to do a merger.
CXRAndy
Legendary Member
The big figure claim was to bring CBS to settle. They wouldn't want to take it to the courtroom. Paramount have other concerns pending
swee'pea99
New Member
"The principal focus of this nationwide wrist-wringing was a study by the National Endowment for the Humanities. It had recently tested 8,000 high-school seniors and found that they were as stupid as pig dribble. More than two-thirds of them did not know when the US Civil War took place, couldn’t identify Stalin or Churchill, and didn’t know who wrote The Canterbury Tales. Almost half thought World War I started before 1900. A third thought that Roosevelt was president during the Vietnam War and that Columbus sailed to America after 1750. Forty-two percent—this is my favorite—couldn’t name a single country in Asia."
Bill Bryson, The Lost Continent
Incidentally, I don't know where those figures come from, but the ones I saw recently, from a reputable source, neither of which I can lay my hands on right now, suggested that the proportion of Americans who believed in evolution as generally understood - ie, this is how we got here, no divine intervention involved - was 11%. Over half believed the creation story they found in the Bible - ie, the earth was created in its current form, by God, sometime within the last 10,000 years. A third or so believed in evolution 'with divine intervention/overview'.
