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albion

Veteran
My renewal form at my electricity provider offers a cheapest fixed rate of over 50p per unit plus a 50p daily standing charge.

That seems to infer the proposed increases of the price cap do in fact mean we will be at £1 per kw/h by new year.
For electric cars paying this rate will be near £3 per litre equivalent.

Meanwhile, planet Tory are still banning the UKs cheapest form of electricty generation, that being onshore wind.
You really have to admire this right wing tactic for reducing global warming, even if unintended.
 

classic33

Senior Member
A few years ago we were at the start of a "wind drought".

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...lled in the interim, according to new figures.
 
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albion

albion

Veteran
Hydrogen is said to be close to matching diesel in price and if so, that means you can install an infinite amount of solar panels or win turbines. The spare capacity can power the eletrolyser making hydrogen.

It is said power cuts loom this winter so who gets priority?
Strangely, the Guardian has just reported that ebike sales in the UK have declined and are now at a rate one twelfth of that in Germany.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...ing-growth-uk-risk-left-behind-europe-experts
 

classic33

Senior Member
The nine replacement turbines in Ovenden Moor wind farm* stand at 110 metres high. They are stationary most of the time, or turning so slowly, you can only see that the blades have moved if you watch for a while.

It, the wind farm, was sold, outright, for a little over £14 million in early 2021. Yorkshire water still own the land it's built on, and control access to it.
It's supposed to be them who forced the sale. It has only one customer, a local school. And has since the nine new turbines went online.

Why did e-on sell out, if the future is in windpower.


*Bristol is set to get one at 115 metres , but the blades are said to be bigger on some of the Ovenden Moor site.

Wikipedia lists e-on as the owner, but that information is out of date(2017).

Why would the selling price be less than what it cost to build? The sale raised questions that e-on and partners don't want to answer. Despite direct questions
 
Hydrogen is said to be close to matching diesel in price and if so, that means you can install an infinite amount of solar panels or win turbines. The spare capacity can power the eletrolyser making hydrogen.
Jup in the US they already doing that, but even for diesel itself there is also fully plant based diesel available, newest generations doesn't need any special adjustments just chuck it in the tank and it saves around 30% in emissions. But in the uk you can't buy it as a consumer. Thanks to the rising fuel prices it would be cheaper than normal diesel by now.
It is said power cuts loom this winter so who gets priority?
Guys with blond hair ugly expensive wallpaper and being forced out of a little flat with no.10 on it?
Strangely, the Guardian has just reported that ebike sales in the UK have declined and are now at a rate one twelfth of that in Germany.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...ing-growth-uk-risk-left-behind-europe-experts
It never came beyond the Covid boom, and if you check gumtree,marketplace ebay etc. Those in 2020 have lived in the shed ridden maybe once or twice and are now being sold.
Now to be honest, if i want to drive from a typical small town in the Netherlands to a typical large city, i can do that using wide cycle paths, in here the cycle paths are narrow, the road signage expects me to cross the road multiple time because why would you keep an cycle path in one side of the road?

Taking all that together it doesn't really surprise me. It is sad tough.

The nine replacement turbines in Ovenden Moor wind farm* stand at 110 metres high. They are stationary most of the time, or turning so slowly, you can only see that the blades have moved if you watch for a while.

It, the wind farm, was sold, outright, for a little over £14 million in early 2021. Yorkshire water still own the land it's built on, and control access to it.
It's supposed to be them who forced the sale. It has only one customer, a local school. And has since the nine new turbines went online.

Why did e-on sell out, if the future is in windpower.


*Bristol is set to get one at 115 metres , but the blades are said to be bigger on some of the Ovenden Moor site.

Wikipedia lists e-on as the owner, but that information is out of date(2017).

Why would the selling price be less than what it cost to build? The sale raised questions that e-on and partners don't want to answer. Despite direct questions
Becausethey don't have a storage system in place so making them turn harder delivers power they can't store, turning them softer delivers some power, that's why they convert it in hydrogen in the us, can be used for fuel cell (electric) cars and for power generation and is much cheaper and better than battery storage.
 

Mr Celine

Well-Known Member
The nine replacement turbines in Ovenden Moor wind farm* stand at 110 metres high. They are stationary most of the time, or turning so slowly, you can only see that the blades have moved if you watch for a while.

It, the wind farm, was sold, outright, for a little over £14 million in early 2021. Yorkshire water still own the land it's built on, and control access to it.
It's supposed to be them who forced the sale. It has only one customer, a local school. And has since the nine new turbines went online.

Why did e-on sell out, if the future is in windpower.


*Bristol is set to get one at 115 metres , but the blades are said to be bigger on some of the Ovenden Moor site.

Wikipedia lists e-on as the owner, but that information is out of date(2017).

Why would the selling price be less than what it cost to build? The sale raised questions that e-on and partners don't want to answer. Despite direct questions

Mere tiddlers, recent proposals round here have 200m blade tip heights.

Why is your example selling to an individual customer and not to the grid?
 
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albion

albion

Veteran
Telegraph doing their usual bit......
'Speed limit of 20 does not encourage more walking or cycling'
'The insidious spread of 20 is about to backfire badly'
'Prepare for the backlash against 20 madness'
'You don't have to be a toad to think 20 is mad'
'Low speed limits are now used as a ploy to make Britons give up cars'
 

classic33

Senior Member
Mere tiddlers, recent proposals round here have 200m blade tip heights.

Why is your example selling to an individual customer and not to the grid?
Heights given were tower heights. Bristol will have the highest in the UK, at 115 metres.

Why only one client, they won't answer. When they had more, older & less efficient turbines, they supplied 6,000 nearby houses. They weren't reconnected to the current setup.


@presta, electricity is still required for reasons other than battery charging. Just it'll not come from this one.
 

classic33

Senior Member
Telegraph doing their usual bit......
'Speed limit of 20 does not encourage more walking or cycling'
'The insidious spread of 20 is about to backfire badly'
'Prepare for the backlash against 20 madness'
'You don't have to be a toad to think 20 is mad'
'Low speed limits are now used as a ploy to make Britons give up cars'
On that last one, they'll just ignore the 20 limit in their electric vehicle, in the same way they do in any other vehicle.
 

Mr Celine

Well-Known Member
Heights given were tower heights. Bristol will have the highest in the UK, at 115 metres.
According to New Civil Engineer the Bristol one will have a diameter of 115m and a tip height of 150m.

Meanwhile turbines with a tip height of 200m are under construction in Ayrshire
https://www.insider.co.uk/news/work-underway-uks-tallest-onshore-24777781

and a neighbouring project has planning permission for 220m tip height turbines.

It's rather worrying that Civil Engineers don't know the difference between the UK and Engerlund.
 
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