Enhanced Britishness

[swansonj]

"When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

 

[Milkfloat]

The lyrics look fairly innocuous to me, hardly worth making a fuss about one way or the other.

It's always interesting how those who profess to support freedom are all in favour of censorship when it's something they don't like.

My view is ripping pages from the history books is not to be encouraged, even if I don't approve of that part of the narrative.

Land of hope and glory
Mother of the free
How shall we extol thee
Who are born of thee
Wider still and wider
Shall thy bounds be set
God who made thee mighty
Make thee mightier
God who made thee mighty
Make thee mightier yet
Land of hope and glory
Mother of the free
How shall we extol thee
Who are born of thee
Wider still and wider
Shall thy bounds be set
God who made thee mighty
Make thee mightier yet
God who made thee mighty
Make thee mightier yet
Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: Edward Elgar / Benson
Land of Hope and Glory lyrics © Boosey & Hawkes Music Publishers Ltd

You know that there has been quite a kerfuffle over the British Empire’s boundaries to be set “wider and wider still”. You may think it is just snowflakes, but there was quite an outcry. You could also argue that a replacement anthem should be modern and secular.

 

[Fab Foodie]

'Ditching' one song and rewriting the lyrics of another for public consumption is seeking to restric the access of the public to the originals.

It is a form of censorship, and possibly worse, an example of 'I know what's good for the rest of you', which is not an attitude I can agree with.

….is utter uber-bollox!

 

[Bromptonaut]

'Ditching' one song and rewriting the lyrics of another for public consumption is seeking to restrict the access of the public to the originals.

It is a form of censorship, and possibly worse, an example of 'I know what's good for the rest of you', which is not an attitude I can agree with.

It really is not.

Just take a well known tune and adapt some words.

Are you really suggesting the lyrics of 'The D-Day Dodgers' restrict the public's access to the original words of 'Lilli Marlene'?

 

[FishFright]

If we must have an anthem or theme tune then there is only one choice really


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqrAPOZxgzU&ab_channel=SexPistolsVEVO

 

[Pale Rider]

It really is not.

Just take a well known tune and adapt some words.

Are you really suggesting the lyrics of 'The D-Day Dodgers' restrict the public's access to the original words of 'Lilli Marlene'?

You are seeking to persuade others to use a different version which is restricting access to the original.

That you lack the power to do a great deal of restricting doesn't make it any less true.

….is utter uber-bollox!

Good stuff, and you've yet to explain why Land of Hope and Glory is 'imperial and colonial'.

"When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

That's why I use short words and sentences - the meaning is clear.

Although if there is anything you don't understand I will try to explain.

 

[Bromptonaut]

You are seeking to persuade others to use a different version which is restricting access to the original.

That you lack the power to do a great deal of restricting doesn't make it any less true.

That argument is barrel scraping in the extreme.

How do you apply it to the variations on Lilli Marlene's tune I suggested earlier?

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

'Ditching' one song and rewriting the lyrics of another for public consumption is seeking to restric the access of the public to the originals.

It is a form of censorship, and possibly worse, an example of 'I know what's good for the rest of you', which is not an attitude I can agree with.

Pure knobsquittery. Did voting for the Tories and ditching Labour censor Labour? Why didn't you protest about such an outrage Toryboy?

 

[Rusty Nails]

'Ditching' one song and rewriting the lyrics of another for public consumption is seeking to restric the access of the public to the originals.

It is a form of censorship, and possibly worse, an example of 'I know what's good for the rest of you', which is not an attitude I can agree with.

I am sorry but this is total and utter meaningless tosh.

No one is talking about ditching one song, just saying that to make it a more National Anthem type of song in their opinion new words would be more appropriate and representative of this century.

It is an opinion and suggestion on an internet forum, not a dictat, or any form of censorship, no matter how loosely you use the word to suit your ends. No one is denied access to the original words, and those who want to retain them or include them in a national anthem are free to have their say.

It is not saying "I know what's good for the rest of you' any more than your opinion is.

Please get a sense of perspective.

 

[cookiemonster]

Please get a sense of perspective.

You'll have a very long wait.

 

[Pale Rider]

No one is talking about ditching one song

Foodie's word, not mine.

He wants the song ditched for the benefit of the rest of us.

I agree had he said 'I don't like it' or somesuch that would be different, but oh no, the rest of us have to go along with the word according to him, same with Brompton and the other song.

Pure knobsquittery. Did voting for the Tories and ditching Labour censor Labour? Why didn't you protest about such an outrage Toryboy?

Did Foodie call for a vote on whether to ditch Land of Hope or not?

No, he said it should be ditched showing he knows what's best for the rest of us.

As a Labour child who relies on the state to wipe your nose, you may be happy with that.

I'm not, and will retain the ability to make up my own mind.

You'll have a very long wait.

Get rid of Jack and up pops Jill - as usual.

 

[cookiemonster]

Get rid of Jack and up pops Jill - as usual.

You really are a particularly nasty person.

 

[Deleted member 28]

You really are a particularly nasty person.

You have to admit there are a few 'tag teams ' around here, if that's nasty in your book you are a particularly sensitive soul. In my unimportant opinion of course.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Absolute vainglorious tosh, both of them. Suitable only for those middle class posers at the Proms.

England deserves a better, more modern anthem than those two.

What's with all this 'modern ' shyte?

You're in your 70's if I remember correctly, at what age did you think thing's need changing, banning, etc I wonder?

Were you comfortable with programme's in the 70' s and laughed at them along with everyone else or did you turn them off in disgust?

 

[cookiemonster]

You have to admit there are a few 'tag teams ' around here, if that's nasty in your book you are a particularly sensitive soul. In my unimportant opinion of course.

There are a few tag teams and I'm just fed up with them.