EU & Brexit Bunker

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

I think the correct question - which I cordially extend all members here - should be:

In what quantifiable way has your life and the lives of those you know and love been improved as a consequence of Brexit?

So - let's have it, motherfückers.

Yes but to answer that question fairly shouldn't you also answer the question ''what things has the EU changed to after Brexit nd/or in response too brexit?'' for example free trade deals EU was sleeping on that part and after brexit they started picking it up again. (and now off course on its belly again thanks to Trump but that's a other story)

 

[Xipe Totec]

In what quantifiable way has your life and the lives of those you know and love been made worse as a consequence of Brexit?

QED, then.

 

[BoldonLad]

In what quantifiable way has your life and the lives of those you know and love been made worse as a consequence of Brexit?

It made our “roaming Europe”, in retirement, plans, much more difficult. The good news is we did have 14 years of “roaming”, before Brexit.

 

[C R]

In what quantifiable way has your life and the lives of those you know and love been made worse as a consequence of Brexit?

My children will find it harder to try life in the continent than it was for previous generations.

 

[First Aspect]

Trump tariffs levied on EU and UK are exactly the same right? What did Trump again say about the EU? Created to bully the US or something? and then the ''fist'' the EU can make representing many countries lead to them getting higher tariff then the uk. What an EU BENEFIT pay MORE get LESS.. oh wait that's a summary off what Mrs. von der Leyen troughout her career has done for the german Taxpayer. What a great EU benefit she now gets to do it for all EU members, shite the UK is really missing out bro!

Having said that, during the whole referendum thing both sides lied a lot, the brexit side claim we could ''take back control'' , ''more money to the poeple'' where off course wrong tangible benefits take years and even then, it's easy to dispute them, look at above a current topic ''EU getting higher tariffs because they upset Trump'' that makes poeple question all tangible benefits.

The Netherlands has been the biggest net-eu payer for years, does that mean you can take the Dutch goverment balance sheet and say ''yeah this and that are tangible eu benefits right there?'' I think not. therefore these things are to complicated and if the Uk had a competent goverment at least one in the last 8years the brexit benefits story could look completely different could and that the whole thing with this




Nice try and off course technically true but i do remember things and the point at the times was not that the uk was faster because legally it wasn't doing something that other members states couldn't although there might be media / politicians who claim otherwise to benefit their agenda.
So legally any other EU member country could potentially have done the same thing, however they had more resources stuck in the EU regulator called EMA and the uk already had it's own regulator (also before leaving the EU) and thus could fast-track things. Alltough technically possible whilst we where still in the EU the fact that we where leaving did make it easyer to step on some toes.

But for example most car that are imported still go trough Germany

In thought that as things stand, EU and UK tariffs were exactly the same, pending a TACO/no TACO decision next month. Whether or not there is an EU deal and whether or not it's better (for us as hypothetical EU members in the sane timeline we aren't on) remains to be seen.

 

[Psamathe]

We are told one of the reasons we went Brexit'ing was to regain our sovereignty, our independence, so we could determine our own destiny. Yet we now seemed to have handed much of that to an unreliable player in the US who we seem determined to fawn over and bend to his every whim (in full knowledge of his blindingly apparent narcissistic motivations).

And what we do retain we seem to be making a complete mess of. eg Something Starmer made a big issue over "Smashing the Gangs" that worked well with record numbers crossing in dangerous boats with ongoing fatalities.

Ian

 

[briantrumpet]

I also miss the richness/range of nationalities at Exeter University now, and seeing foreign number plates out and about. Can't blame them for not coming, given the messaging from the UK. Sure, none of the hurdles are insurmountable if people are determined, but like small businesses who used to export to the UK, there comes a point when it's just too much hassle, and they give up.

 

[Psamathe]

Sure, I can apply for a visa, but there are things like healthcare coverage, not being able to do paid work when on a tourist visa, etc. I've lost my rights as an EU citizen - everything is now 'at the pleasure of' the host nation.

Investigate residence permits and also S1/E106.

When I lived in France pre-Brexit I retired early (ie before UK retirement age) and wasn't working in France. E106 from UK Gov. covered Health in France and I strung mine out a bit so it ended-up lasting 4 years but even without playing admin games it would have been a few years. Once reaching UK retirement age UK Gov. would have covered Health in France. Both E106 and post retirement allowed me to properly register with CPAM so properly/fully covered as any French citizen. Once you've lived in France for 5 years you are eligible to register with CPAM anyway.

Residence is not too difficult provided you can demonstrate self-sufficiency to required lewvels (publish on inter-web).

I returned to UK pre-Brexit so just pointing to possibilities as I might be out of date.

Ian

 

[First Aspect]

I also miss the richness/range of nationalities at Exeter University now, and seeing foreign number plates out and about. Can't blame them for not coming, given the messaging from the UK. Sure, none of the hurdles are insurmountable if people are determined, but like small businesses who used to export to the UK, there comes a point when it's just too much hassle, and they give up.

What are you doing hanging about the university? I thought that sort of thing was reserved to ageing professors who want to feel like they are still young?

 

[First Aspect]

Actually that's a dreadful accusation. Sorry Brian.

 

[briantrumpet]

What are you doing hanging about the university? I thought that sort of thing was reserved to ageing professors who want to feel like they are still young?

Just making the graduands happy by directing music at their graduations. Have done about 360 ceremonies so far, and played out about 100k graduates.

 

[First Aspect]

That's pretty cool actually.

 

[briantrumpet]

That's pretty cool actually.

I really love it. I get a lovely lot of student musicians to work with, you can see that the mix of music is appreciated by the graduands and their supporters (it ranges from a 16th-century Venetian Canzona to Dancing Queen), and being live music I can paper over any cracks in processions & stuff so the audience don't know if things haven't quite gone to plan backstage. Shame this year's ones in Penryn won't be in Truro Cathedral, but belt-tightening and practicalities of venues have won the argument. Full marks to the university for putting on a good show though and supporting live music: it leaves a good impression, which is important after how much money each student brings to a university's coffers.

 

[icowden]

being live music I can paper over any cracks in processions & stuff so the audience don't know if things haven't quite gone to plan backstage.

It's amazing how many people don't realise how valuable live musicians can be in covering things up, and equally amazing that people don't realise how hard it is to work to backing tracks.

I once accompanied a grade 6 student (Trinity) and one of her pieces was "Fields of Gold" by Sting. The stress got to her and she skipped a verse, the words were coming out, and she looked assured but I knew that they weren't the right ones at the right time. However I just kept accompanying what she was singing until she reached the end.

The examiner did not notice that the words were not in the correct order and the pupil did very well. She was very apologetic to me - I just said that *that* is what I am there for. I accompany. Doesn't matter what you sing, I'll find a way of accompanying it - that's my job. I'm the safety net for the soloist, papering over any problems.

You can't always do it - improvising Sting is a lot easier than Sondheim or Faurré for example...!

 

[CXRAndy]

My children will find it harder to try life in the continent than it was for previous generations.

Is it really that much harder, a work/study visa, same if you went to every other country on the planet