EU & Brexit Bunker

[the snail]

He's a man of all opinions.

At least I've not changed my view of Brexit.

Well you know what they say about a-holes - every opinion column has one.

 

[briantrumpet]

I'd agree with this. The trouble is that I think Starmer has been banking on two terms to turn the debate right around (if his red lines were a stupid smokescreen), but his Reformy agenda till now and terrible politics (as in not preparing the ground for the more contentious things such as inheritance tax and ID cards) make one suspect he'll only get one term - it's like an oil tanker that's taking too long to turn to miss an iceberg.

 

[BoldonLad]

I'd agree with this. The trouble is that I think Starmer has been banking on two terms to turn the debate right around (if his red lines were a stupid smokescreen), but his Reformy agenda till now and terrible politics (as in not preparing the ground for the more contentious things such as inheritance tax and ID cards) make one suspect he'll only get one term - it's like an oil tanker that's taking too long to turn to miss an iceberg.

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As a remainer, I agree that it was not a good idea, but, as for blame, I don’t recall a spirited remain pitch from Labour?, maybe I slept through it?

 

[briantrumpet]

As a remainer, I agree that it was not a good idea, but, as for blame, I don’t recall a spirited remain pitch from Labour?, maybe I slept through it?

Corbyn. Was never a Remainer, so did the least he possibly could.

 

[BoldonLad]

Corbyn. Was never a Remainer, so did the least he possibly could.

quite, so, was blameworthy too (IMHO)

 

[briantrumpet]

quite, so, was blameworthy too (IMHO)

Indeed: he neutered the Labour Party in effect, when he should have been out there pointing out the benefits to Labour supporters. It's quite amusing if I point that out on Bluesky and I get yelled at by Corbynistas who claim he campaigned vigorously for Reform.

 

[Ian H]

Indeed: he neutered the Labour Party in effect, when he should have been out there pointing out the benefits to Labour supporters. It's quite amusing if I point that out on Bluesky and I get yelled at by Corbynistas who claim he campaigned vigorously for Reform.

There were perfectly good political reasons for wanting to leave the EU.

 

[Pblakeney]

There were perfectly good political reasons for wanting to leave the EU.

Mostly sovereignty. Look where that has got us.
One less scapegoat.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

There were perfectly good political reasons for wanting to leave the EU.

Yes, but a rational person would weigh those against the reasons for remaining. The whole Lexit argument only held water if a left wing Brexit was on the cards, which it wasn't in the slightest.

 

[the snail]

There were perfectly good political reasons for wanting to leave the EU.

If you go back to 1973, a lot of left-wingers were anti because the common market was pro-business and the right were pro. ffwd to 2016 and the EU is pro worker's rights and a lot of positions have reversed. Corbyn was out of step with a lot of labour supporters. Some might think he's stuck in 1973.

 

[briantrumpet]

If you go back to 1973, a lot of left-wingers were anti because the common market was pro-business and the right were pro. ffwd to 2016 and the EU is pro worker's rights and a lot of positions have reversed. Corbyn was out of step with a lot of labour supporters. Some might think he's stuck in 1973.

There's a fascinating video on YouTube with Ted Heath and Michael Foot arguing about the 1973 referendum, with Michael Foot's argument against the EEC being over the loss of...

..."sovereignty".

 

[Pross]

Indeed: he neutered the Labour Party in effect, when he should have been out there pointing out the benefits to Labour supporters. It's quite amusing if I point that out on Bluesky and I get yelled at by Corbynistas who claim he campaigned vigorously for Reform.

I'm trying to work out if that is what you meant to type?

 

[briantrumpet]

I'm trying to work out if that is what you meant to type?

Haha, oops.

 

[AuroraSaab]

There's a fascinating video on YouTube with Ted Heath and Michael Foot arguing about the 1973 referendum, with Michael Foot's argument against the EEC being over the loss of...

..."sovereignty".

Tony Benn was anti for the same reason.

 

[briantrumpet]

The dam is leaking a bit... politicians mentioning the B word. (Comment by Ian Dunt)