EU & Brexit Bunker

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Pblakeney

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Yes, the run up to the 2008 financial crisis was pretty stellar. That's why everyone uses it as the default period of how things should be run. They gloss over the fact it was unsustainable and ended in a financial crisis.

Well, yes, the financial crisis came to a head in 2008 but the root causes were building up to that in the years prior, and were known of.
Maybe what we need is for Labour to be in charge for 3 terms for that feel good feeling to return. I can only imagine some people's dismay. 😉
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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This is probably a terrible analogy, but for 40 years academics published papers linking fat consumption with heart disease. Every paper was academically fine, because it was consistent with previous papers, so there was no real academic criticism. The problem was that they never answered the question of why France had lower levels of heart disease despite a high fat diet. Only recently has this been looked at.

My point is that you shouldn't expect criticism of the report from academics. They've done everything right. They have looked at how the UK economy tracked other economies prior to 2016 and they have built their counter factual case. That's academically robust, but it also includes the financial crises, some bleak years, Brexit, covid and record gas prices. None of those factors can be reliably stripped out, so every opinion needs to be qualified, and they have qualified theirs, but that's not the headline grabbing bit.

Here's my paper:

Has Brexit worsened trade flows? Yes. By how much? No idea. Does that mean the UK is overall worse off? Perhaps, but not certain.

Thanks. Fair points (I'm aware this isn't how one should do forums.)

We'll call you back if we are going to offer you the professorship on offer.
 

Ian H

Squire
"Better off" seems a very intangible concept. Means different things to different people and even if you manage to narrow the meaning down, it will impact different people differently eg should be all be feeling happier because Jim Ratcliffe (Ineos) is financially better off 'cos we now have weaker environmental and pollution regulations ...

My impression is that too many seem to regard "better off" as applying to the finances of the already wealthy. We should be a society not an economy and we should be striving for a sustainable realistic way forward not some daft "perpetual growth" in our finite system (we only have the one planet).

That's the GDP trumps everything viewpoint. And of course, if you can keep most money out of the hands of the wage-slaves whose every toilet-break is monitored, you can generate massive profits. Bezos knows this.
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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Obviously I didn't look at the picture.

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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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The UK is likely to ban making a profit with ticket resales. This would have been a challenge if the UK was still in the EU. It is now simple legislation for the UK.

I'll give you that one, if it makes it through to the statute book. Curious why the EU wouldn't do similar, given they supposedly look after the consumer as part of their raison d'être.
 

PurplePenguin

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I'll give you that one, if it makes it through to the statute book. Curious why the EU wouldn't do similar, given they supposedly look after the consumer as part of their raison d'être.

It restricts the free market, so a case needs to be made why it is necessary. For example, ticket touting of football tickets is illegal in the UK, but that is based on reducing hooliganism.
 

First Aspect

Veteran
It restricts the free market, so a case needs to be made why it is necessary. For example, ticket touting of football tickets is illegal in the UK, but that is based on reducing hooliganism.
I think the argument is to prevent resale site internet bots purchasing tickets in large blocks and selling all of them for higher prices, thereby distorting the market.

There should still be a market for resale sites, and packages of which concert tickets form only one part. But less of a market for a company simply profiting from the limited availability that it has caused itself.
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

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Analogyville at https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ng-cause-britain-woes-brexit-shaped-hole-roof

It's a hole in the roof.

Imagine a family stuck in a house that constantly floods. The carpets are soaked, the walls damp. It’s always cold, no matter how much they turn up the heating.
The family try everything. They promise to replace the sodden carpets and find new, innovative ways to warm the house. Someone with a laptop wonders if AI might be the answer. But no one ever looks upwards and says: maybe we should just repair the giant hole in the roof.

Britons are that family – and the giant hole in the roof is Brexit.

Openness is the heart of the matter. Britain flourishes when it is open and trading, and shrivels when it is not. Brexit ignored that core economic reality – a defining fact about these islands – by making the UK less open to trade in goods, taking us out of a single market in which Britain had been in its element, trading freely and without friction to hundreds of millions of consumers. Naturally, and wholly predictably, “Britain has fallen behind peer countries since it lost access”, write Springford and Sissons, with the fall in goods exports draining more than one percentage point from GDP each year.

The picture is better in services, but even there, for long stretches of the Brexit era, the UK has lagged behind Germany, France, Spain and Italy. Where once we might have relied on the money machine of the City to plug the gap left by a declining goods trade, the finance sector has also been hit, losing its once disproportionately large slice of the market. Frankfurt, Dublin, Amsterdam, Madrid, Milan and Paris have all gained, as London has fallen behind. Incredibly, the capital, once the UK productivity engine that helped the rest of the country make ends meet, is now Britain’s worst-performing region in terms of productivity growth. Given Brexit stripped the City of the easy access to EU clients it once enjoyed, that’s hardly a surprise.
 
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PurplePenguin

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Meanwhile, the EU thinks the UK should contribute £6bn to give UK companies the ability to sell stuff at a market price to EU countries using its defence fund.

The UK has offered a few hundred million to cover costs.
 
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