AndyRM
Elder Goth
The Webb Ellis thing was what I was thinking about. So, true I suppose but popularised by something unfounded.
Could be one of those apocryphal tales but I always thought that rugby started because someone picked the ball up and started running with it during a game of football?
Yes that's right (according to what I was taught anyway). It (Rugby) was then given proper rules and a code of gentlemanly conduct. I had a very good PE teacher at school who, when reffing for our school football games, would book anyone who swore or spat on the pitch. This is something he felt very strongly about and I've never heard or seen any other ref enforce this. It's an example of what I'd like to see more of in youth football because I believe it promotes respect for yourself, for other players and for anyone watching.
My old friend E is returning on a ferry from the Vatternrundan. She's surrounded by drunken, boorish footie fans and can't wait to get off. Apparently, on the outward journey, some Scots fans caused a a car smash, driving drunk and on the wrong side of the road (she isn't a football fan, though she has dragged me to a rugby match).
Maybe they have the radio commentary on too? It's usually better than what the TV has to offer and they wanted to make a point of it?
Openly racist chants seem to have almost completely gone from the UK stadiums.
I would hope that these bad taste chants can go too, it will just take time and education.
Having been on trains and buses with football and rugby fans the line between noisy, boisterous, but good natured excitement and frightening drunkeness that feels like it might kick off at any minute is pretty thin. I hope your friend is ok. Bad enough in a town centre, worse in an enclosed space.
I am pleasantly surprised by the lack of football violence as we enter the final stages.
Long may it continue.