Free speech

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Exactly. He wasn't charged because he was burning a book, he was charged about the burning a book as there are no such laws covering burning books. It was the nature of his protest together with his location and thus intent.

And if he did the same thing but then with an Bible or any other religion what would have happened? Most likely nothing, zero, totally ignored. If everyone should be equal for the law, why is anything concerning Islam/Muslims then always just a bit less equal because there ''special'' ?

Why would we need to accept things/actions/and words to be deemed normal when they are clearly not normal.

Attacking someone with an knife isn't and even if he did the same thing in front of a orthodox church i highly doubt someone would have come at him with an knife, so one of his points as ex-muslim mind you, that Islam is aggressive proven.

So, if in my isolated garden I burn a copy of the Quran and shout similar messages I break no laws.

But if anyone sees it posted it where-ever you would be subjected to abuse violence's or worse, and if you do the same with an Bible well see above.

You said he had not been prosecuted. He was. The sentence was too lenient, but that's not what you claimed.

Let's fact check that:

Alltough i haven't read the whole verdict i read a headline that someone who attacked an peacefull anti-islam activist with an knife getting no punishment at all.
It sounds pretty worrying to me. He was allowed his protest at the time, and then someone who ignores his democratic right and attacks them gets away with it? doesn't sit right.

So i said how the headline came across and what i thought about it. all the while making clear that i did not read the full context yet. No pusnisment is also not the same as ''no prosecution'' having read the full context doesn't really change my opinion but i would have worded it different.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

It doesn't need a 'victim' though I guess somebody needs to be upset/offended or whatever.

You need to have been living under a rock for decades to not understand the particular reverence in which the Koran is held by its adherents.

Others post of different religions, pork pies etc, as distractions. I'd be pretty certain, even if its not yet happened, actions involving those groups could cross a threshold; maybe stuff with pork meat and the sacred parts of a Synagogue?

Again you're trying to make things/actions/words normal that clearly aren't normal using your moral high ground to claim one religion has ore rights than the other just because they are more aggressive in what they belive they should be doing to protect their holy book.

But if a muslim burns a Dan brown book in the same context an a Dan brown book lover attack him with an knife would he be offered the same ''protection'' ? i think that would be very unlikely.

lets also not mention all those who have been killed/attacked etc. just because they dared to speak not nice about Islam right?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

May be you should try reading longer?

Maybe but..

Moussa Kadri was sentenced to 20 weeks in prison, suspended for 18 months. Kadri pled guilty to assault and having a bladed article in a public place and is also required to carry out 150 hours of unpaid work and 10 days of rehabilitation. For the hard of thinking, that means that rather than spending 5 months in prison at the taxpayers expense,

He came out with an knife because he wanted to harm the protestor(Coskun in this case) but he was guilty of ''assualt'' and then a laughable charge if ''having an bladed article'' that is taking the piss with the law, because the charge should have been taking the fact he had full intentions of using said knife in his attack into the charge, and then it wouldn;t have been ''having an bladed article in public'' but it would have been an heavier assault charge.



[QUOTE="icowden, post: 137989, member: 50"
Coskun who was guilty of the religiously aggravated public order offence that triggered the violence was also found guilty and fined £240. [/QUOTE]
He has very well documented the reasoning behind his protest, the public disorder/blaspemy laws haven't in practice they are used in similar ways as islamic regimes restrict free speech, which is a problem for a free country right?


[QUOTE="icowden, post: 137989, member: 50"
Seems reasonably sensible and proportionate to me. Neither man covered themselves in glory and both have been suitably punished.
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name any other person for any other religion who has been convicted for burning their holy books as a protest?

 

[CXRAndy]

European shield

Its a body to control what and who says it. If they dont like what you say they will persecute anyone


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[C R]

So i said how the headline came across and what i thought about it. all the while making clear that i did not read the full context yet. No pusnisment is also not the same as ''no prosecution'' having read the full context doesn't really change my opinion but i would have worded it different.

Black is white, white is black, I see five fingers and we have always been at war with East Asia.

 

[matticus]

Kirk was familiar with arguments and outrage, less so the truth. Brazen from Dygert, interesting to see what the reaction will be.

 

[CXRAndy]

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[AndyRM]

https://eu.oklahoman.com/story/news...arlie-kirk-honor-lawyer-response/86298702007/

Land of the free, and the home of the brave.

 

[Pblakeney]

https://eu.oklahoman.com/story/news...arlie-kirk-honor-lawyer-response/86298702007/

Land of the free, and the home of the brave.

How long till there is a request for Saint Charlie?
Saint Charlie 😂😂😂 Even sounds just plain silly.

 

[Ian H]

How long till there is a request for Saint Charlie?
Saint Charlie 😂😂😂 Even sounds just plain silly.

Trump will be lobbying the pope as we speak, offering bribes, offering to repaint the Sistine Chapel free of charge (with loads of added gold leaf).

 

[matticus]

How long till there is a request for Saint Charlie?
Saint Charlie 😂😂😂 Even sounds just plain silly.

This could get confusing ...

 

[Ianonabike]

(Solemnly intoned) The nation can heal now that Kimmel has returned.
I'll give him props for this:

“It was never my intention to make light of the murder of a young man,” Kimmel said, his voice breaking, claiming he had not intended to blame anyone for Kirk’s death beyond a “deeply-disturbed individual”.

He continued: “I understand that, to some, that [the jokes] felt either ill-timed or unclear, or maybe both, and for those who think I did point a finger, I get why you’re upset.

“If the situation was reversed, there’s a good chance I’d have felt the same way.”

Later in his monologue, Kimmel tearfully paid tribute to Erika Kirk, Charlie Kirk’s widow, who at her husband’s memorial service on Sunday said she forgave his killer.

“If you believe in the teachings of Jesus, as I do, there was… a selfless act of grace, forgiveness from a grieving widow and it touched me deeply,” he said.

 

[matticus]

(Solemnly intoned) The nation can heal now that Kimmel has returned.
I'll give him props for this:

Thanks for that Ian. Some good stuff in there!

 

[Rusty Nails]

(Solemnly intoned) The nation can heal now that Kimmel has returned.
I'll give him props for this:

If you listen to what Kimmel said originally he was not trivialising or mocking Kirk’s death, but the way in which Trump and his supporters used that death for their own ends. And the way Trump passed on from mourning Kirk to lauding the work on the White House Ballroom without a second’s hesitation, was distasteful in the extreme.

Personally I found the rush, from both sides, to accuse Robinson of being influenced by either the left or right tasteless.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Again you're trying to make things/actions/words normal that clearly aren't normal using your moral high ground to claim one religion has ore rights than the other just because they are more aggressive in what they belive they should be doing to protect their holy book.

But if a muslim burns a Dan brown book in the same context an a Dan brown book lover attack him with an knife would he be offered the same ''protection'' ? i think that would be very unlikely.

lets also not mention all those who have been killed/attacked etc. just because they dared to speak not nice about Islam right?

If I could understand that word soup I'd reply fully.

Right now I'll just point out that while the reported case involved Koran burning the legislation isn't Islam specific.

While I guess turning up at a Nevil Shute convention and burning a copy of 'In The Wet' wouldn't elicit a prosecution as Shutists are laid back bods it's not down to a law that says 'Muslims Only'.