Free speech

[Rusty Nails]

If I could understand that word soup I'd reply fully.

Right now I'll just point out that while the reported case involved Koran burning the legislation isn't Islam specific.

While I guess turning up at a Nevil Shute convention and burning a copy of 'In The Wet' wouldn't elicit a prosecution as Shutists are laid back bods it's not down to a law that says 'Muslims Only'.

It will be once they introduce Shariah law in London. It’s the thin end of the wedge I tell you.

 

[C R]

It will be once they introduce Shariah Shakira law in London. It’s the thin end of the wedge I tell you.

FTFY

 

[All uphill]

If I could understand that word soup I'd reply fully.

Right now I'll just point out that while the reported case involved Koran burning the legislation isn't Islam specific.

While I guess turning up at a Nevil Shute convention and burning a copy of 'In The Wet' wouldn't elicit a prosecution as Shutists are laid back bods it's not down to a law that says 'Muslims Only'.

Shocking thought.

If anyone comes around here burning "On the Beach" I'll give them a piece of my mind, and no mistake!

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

If I could understand that word soup I'd reply fully.

Right now I'll just point out that while the reported case involved Koran burning the legislation isn't Islam specific.

While I guess turning up at a Nevil Shute convention and burning a copy of 'In The Wet' wouldn't elicit a prosecution as Shutists are laid back bods it's not down to a law that says 'Muslims Only'.

i never claimed it is a Islam law, however apart from arab countries the Uk is one of the few where they arrest people for burning an Quran as form of protest, in the Netherlands there is a guy who has washed Quran's in pigs blood, burned them etc. etc. Yes he is part of some nazi club (Pegida) But in all cases he has asked permission to protest and the police protects him against muslims who attack him. He is not arrested for these same actions.

And not an islam law is in the current climate the sale as saying ''we maken a law that bans anything on two wheels that is peddle powered'' and not calling it a cycle banning law. technically correct but in practice nonsense right?

 

[Ian H]

It will be once they introduce Shariah law in London. It’s the thin end of the wedge I tell you.

The Catholics have (or perhaps had) something similar. Interrogation by a priest in a dark cubicle followed by a punishment that could range from three Hail Marys to a complete rosary and half a dozen lit candles.

 

[matticus]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/25/politics/fact-check-vance-fcc-kimmel
Vance claims FCC chair just made a ‘joke’ about Kimmel

 

[secretsqirrel]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/25/politics/fact-check-vance-fcc-kimmel
Vance claims FCC chair just made a ‘joke’ about Kimmel

He should leave the jokes to Kimmel.

 

[AndyRM]

Again you're trying to make things/actions/words normal that clearly aren't normal using your moral high ground to claim one religion has ore rights than the other just because they are more aggressive in what they belive they should be doing to protect their holy book.

But if a muslim burns a Dan brown book in the same context an a Dan brown book lover attack him with an knife would he be offered the same ''protection'' ? i think that would be very unlikely.

lets also not mention all those who have been killed/attacked etc. just because they dared to speak not nice about Islam right?

Dude.

Read the bible.

WTAF are you talking about here?

 

[icowden]

Again you're trying to make things/actions/words normal that clearly aren't normal using your moral high ground to claim one religion has ore rights than the other just because they are more aggressive in what they belive they should be doing to protect their holy book.

But if a muslim burns a Dan brown book in the same context an a Dan brown book lover attack him with an knife would he be offered the same ''protection'' ? i think that would be very unlikely.

lets also not mention all those who have been killed/attacked etc. just because they dared to speak not nice about Islam right?

Let's do some checks here. Christianity started *about* 2000 years ago. Islam started about 1300 years ago. In the UK it's taken Christianity about 1700 years to reach the point where having the wrong brand of Christianity or not believing was a state punishable death sentence, and a further 250 years to become something where it doesn't matter which sect you are in (not withstanding the protestant / catholic issues in Northern Ireland).

Perhaps in the next few hundred years Islam will become increasingly moderate and less extreme at the far ends.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Let's do some checks here. Christianity started *about* 2000 years ago. Islam started about 1300 years ago. In the UK it's taken Christianity about 1700 years to reach the point where having the wrong brand of Christianity or not believing was a state punishable death sentence, and a further 250 years to become something where it doesn't matter which sect you are in (not withstanding the protestant / catholic issues in Northern Ireland).

Perhaps in the next few hundred years Islam will become increasingly moderate and less extreme at the far ends.

Yeah that an classic one ''other religions where bad too so just give it some time'' are you willing to put you money where your mouth is? So in this case scrafice yourself and you loved ones because the islam just has some growing pains?

Or maybe we should stop accepting this kind of stupid excuses and simply enforce the law for everyone not adjusting it so the extremist Muslims might not kill us.
Which is along the lines what ex-Muslims say. Or the Muslims who dare to stand up and say something like ''those extremist are not my friends'' or ''my wife/partner doesn't have to wear head or body covering. or let not forget the first gay Islamic preacher oh wait he is killed.. often risking their lives.

 

[icowden]

Or maybe we should stop accepting this kind of stupid excuses and simply enforce the law for everyone not adjusting it so the extremist Muslims might not kill us.

er... we do.

 

[Ianonabike]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/25/politics/fact-check-vance-fcc-kimmel
Vance claims FCC chair just made a ‘joke’ about Kimmel

(I still feel like I should apologise when admitting I've used AI. Do you think that will pass?)

Q: Has the FCC often been politically motivated?

A: Yes, the FCC has often been accused of being politically motivated, with a long history of decisions and actions that have been influenced by political agendas. While the FCC is legally a bipartisan commission, with commissioners representing both major parties, its policies and enforcement priorities can shift significantly depending on the presidential administration.

Roosevelt administration and the Fairness Doctrine (1930s–40s): Shortly after the FCC's creation, President Franklin Roosevelt was accused of using the agency to target opponents of the New Deal. The subsequent implementation of the Fairness Doctrine, which required broadcasters to present balanced views on controversial issues, was applied most strictly to the political right in its early years.

Targeting of critics (1960s): During the Johnson and Kennedy administrations, there were reports of using FCC pressure to silence conservative radio stations. The Democratic National Committee, for instance, used the Fairness Doctrine to petition stations that were supportive of Barry Goldwater, a Republican opponent.

Repeal of the Fairness Doctrine (1980s): In the Reagan era, the FCC ultimately repealed the Fairness Doctrine, arguing it had a "chilling effect" on free speech and was no longer necessary due to the growth of media outlets. This decision was heavily opposed by Democrats in Congress and led to a political battle between the executive and legislative branches.

etc.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Dude.

Read the bible.

WTAF are you talking about here?

I don't talk about words, certainly not when they aren't used as how they are written.
So before you talk about wordsoup en stuff because it's to complicated let me make it a bit simplier for you:

Yes the bible says terrible things however for a long time people beleiving in god, also known as christians leave poeple who think or act against their beleifs alone, saying it's up to god to judge.

And that is an major difference as there are quite a few more ''incidents'' where Muslims feel they need to play god or better said Allah because their honor/are insulted etc. etc. and as and result engage in acts of violence's. (oh and i'm not even talking about terrorism, terrorist used the part of the Quran that says you need to conquer by force is needed)

er... we do.

We really don't i'm sure you're correct on paper but paper laws are useless if enforcement of them leads to nothing, the law on freedom of speech should mean that anyone within the limits of said freedom of speech should be able to protest, voice an opinion etc. etc. But the fact is, if you go stand in front of the church of England and burn an bible and shout how shite you think their religion is, you most likely are fine, do the same in front of a mosque and the police arrest you and gives your attacker and slap on the wrist.

so er... we don't sadly.

 

[Ianonabike]

Konstantin Kisin has a good handle on what has happened over the last decade or so, here and in the US


View: https://youtu.be/qgjvrSe7LLw?si=PeL0BEPfYuNgXHgW

Agreed.

 

[matticus]

(I still feel like I should apologise when admitting I've used AI. Do you think that will pass?)

Q: Has the FCC often been politically motivated?

No need to apologise old chap!

Just be aware that many of us will ignore your text, and the rest will have no clue what YOU think,or what YOUR argument is.

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