Free speech

[AndyRM]

Government trying to shut down criticism of genocide and their complicity. Magaman has obviously been up early again, I'm surprised he isn't all over this.


View: https://x.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/2006632500345327971

He's still got Nick Shirley videos on loop.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

He's still got Nick Shirley videos on loop.

I guess it's possible to use AI these days rather than having a Man Who Fell To Earth type set up.

 

[icowden]

Government trying to shut down criticism of genocide and their complicity. Magaman has obviously been up early again, I'm surprised he isn't all over this.

The odd bit is the assertion that :

It is the view of our legal team that there is not an iota of logic for this, it is without any sound legal basis.

@spen666 may be able to confirm, but I didn't think you could lodge an appeal unless you had a legal basis for that appeal

In the UK, the legal basis for an appeal isn't just being unhappy with a decision; you need permission from a judge, who grants it if the case has a "real prospect of success" or there's a "compelling reason" to hear it. Grounds for appeal must show the lower court made a serious error, such as a mistake of law, a serious procedural irregularity (like bias or flawed directions to a jury in criminal cases), or that the finding of fact was fundamentally wrong, not just that you disagree with it. Appeals aim to correct errors, ensuring justice, but are limited to specific legal grounds, not a full re-hearing.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

The odd bit is the assertion that :

@spen666 may be able to confirm, but I didn't think you could lodge an appeal unless you had a legal basis for that appeal

Money and power don't appear to be listed amongst the reasons to allow an appeal.

 

[Ianonabike]

Free Speech Union hacked by Bash Back a few days ago. Some outlets are spinning the breach as a good thing, because BB are on the right side of history. /s


View: https://x.com/jan_murray/status/2008281254991425762

 

[CXRAndy]

Certainly a wake up call to bolster their security

 

[Beebo]

The University lecturer who was sacked for talking about Charlie Kirk and pointing out his comments on gun deaths has received $500k and his job back.
So you can’t just sack people for no reason.

https://www.newsweek.com/professor-...k-post-wins-500000-and-gets-job-back-11324020

 

[CXRAndy]

In this case he did not make any gloating or celebration of Charlie kirks murder

Professor Darren Michael, an associate professor of acting and directing at Austin Peay State University in Tennessee, did not make any original celebratory statements about Charlie Kirk's death. Instead, shortly after Kirk's assassination on September 10, 2025, he reshared a social media post linking to a 2023 Newsweek article with the headline: "Charlie Kirk says gun deaths are 'unfortunately' worth it to keep 2nd Amendment."
He added no personal commentary to the repost

 

[laurentian]

In this case he did not make any gloating or celebration of Charlie kirks murder

. . . which is exactly what you do when there's awful news for some who sit on the other side of the fence to you.

Think about that and it's possible consequences.

 

[Ian H]

Oh no! More censorship!
‘Dangerous and alarming’: Google removes some of its AI summaries after users’ health put at risk
Exclusive: Guardian investigation finds AI Overviews provided inaccurate and false information when queried over blood tests

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/i/status/2011992029530595702

 

[monkers]

View: https://x.com/i/status/2011992029530595702

It is time you finally understood something. In the UK there has never been a time when the law has granted absolute free speech. Free speech is a qualified right, meaning that each sovereign member of the United Nations determines through its own democratic arrangements speech that is allowed, and speech that is not.

Lucy Connolly is in breach of her licence which she has agreed to in exchange for an early release from prison. She knows this, and here she seems to wish to address you directly ...

“I completely appreciate for the lunatics out there that I’m on license, I must, you know, toe the line, adhere to my license conditions but again they tell us time and time again that we have free speech in this country.”

And she is right, people do say time and again that we have free speech in this country. We do have some freedoms and rights but accompanied with responsibilities, however those freedoms and rights are conditional; we do not have absolute free speech, and people should refrain for assuming so. Moreover politicians should refrain from saying that absolute freedom of expression is the legal norm in the UK - it never has been.

If you want an example of the government / parliament creeping towards a police state, then what better example of the imprisonment of the peaceful protesters who express views to oppose genocide?

 

[spen666]

@spen666 may be able to confirm, but I didn't think you could lodge an appeal unless you had a legal basis for that appeal

It depends on where you are appealing from and what type of appeal you are seeking to make.

For some you need "leave" to appeal for others you do not.Leave is the legal term for permission.

I've not followed this thread so do not know what sort of appeal is being referred to

It is time you finally understood something. In the UK there has never been a time when the law has granted absolute free speech. Free speech is a qualified right, meaning that each sovereign member of the United Nations determines through its own democratic arrangements speech that is allowed, and speech that is not.

Lucy Connolly is in breach of her licence which she has agreed to in exchange for an early release from prison. She knows this, and here she seems to wish to address you directly ...

“I completely appreciate for the lunatics out there that I’m on license, I must, you know, toe the line, adhere to my license conditions but again they tell us time and time again that we have free speech in this country.”

And she is right, people do say time and again that we have free speech in this country. We do have some freedoms and rights but accompanied with responsibilities, however those freedoms and rights are conditional; we do not have absolute free speech, and people should refrain for assuming so. Moreover politicians should refrain from saying that absolute freedom of expression is the legal norm in the UK - it never has been.

If you want an example of the government / parliament creeping towards a police state, then what better example of the imprisonment of the peaceful protesters who express views to oppose genocide?

Ahh yes peaceful protestors who between them are alleged to have burgled premises, committed acts of criminal damage and assaulted people.
Those well known peaceful protest methods

 

[spen666]

It is time you finally understood something. In the UK there has never been a time when the law has granted absolute free speech. Free speech is a qualified right, meaning that each sovereign member of the United Nations determines through its own democratic arrangements speech that is allowed, and speech that is not.

Lucy Connolly is in breach of her licence which she has agreed to in exchange for an early release from prison. She knows this, and here she seems to wish to address you directly ...

“I completely appreciate for the lunatics out there that I’m on license, I must, you know, toe the line, adhere to my license conditions but again they tell us time and time again that we have free speech in this country.”

And she is right, people do say time and again that we have free speech in this country. We do have some freedoms and rights but accompanied with responsibilities, however those freedoms and rights are conditional; we do not have absolute free speech, and people should refrain for assuming so. Moreover politicians should refrain from saying that absolute freedom of expression is the legal norm in the UK - it never has been.

If you want an example of the government / parliament creeping towards a police state, then what better example of the imprisonment of the peaceful protesters who express views to oppose genocide?

Who are on remand awaiting trial accused of various offences including burglary, criminal damage, assault etc - all well known peaceful protest methods

 

[CXRAndy]

It was a meme about Trump arresting starmer.

Yet she gets reprimanded , coz someone complained.

That's is draconian to say the least

There is guarded speech at the moment in the UK.

Nothing free about speech in the UK