Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

I certainly know what a woman is
👍
Unlike you, despite allegedly being a lesbian 🤣

Oh there's nothing alleged about it. You do know that for it to be alleged, somebody needs to be making that allegation, and they're not.

Apologies, of course you wouldn't know such a thing, I momentarily forgot you are a moron, and that I'm wasting my time.

 

[CXRAndy]

Oh there's nothing alleged about it. You do know that for it to be alleged, somebody needs to be making that allegation, and they're not.

Apologies, of course you wouldn't know such a thing, I momentarily forgot you are a moron, and that I'm wasting my time.

I never wanted to presume, given we seem to hear from both sides of an online persona. 😂

 

[monkers]

I never wanted to presume, given we seem to hear from both sides of an online persona. 😂

Wow, I have two personas. You don't even have one, unless the definition includes a worthless troll.

 

[icowden]

You are aware that you are asking a gay woman who spent many happy years in gay and lesbian bars in the company of many from that community.

Well yes - that's why I asked. My perspective is that transgender is merely a term that encompasses transwomen and transmen.

I did and still feel that the confusion of the terms was willfully untruthful and deliberate in order to drive the moral panic, in which campaigners were ultimately successful, not without a little assistance from then Conservative ministers.

Thank you for that useful and very interesting read. I think it actually explains a lot and sheds a new perspective (for me in any event - can't speak for others) on some of your arguments and views and where misunderstandings are coming from.

I do think - as you highlighted - that for most people when they hear transgender they take it to mean transwomen and transmen, and not CD, TV, HPW (love this term - have never heard of it before!) etc.

 

[AuroraSaab]

How is anyone supposed to know the difference between a man who wears stereotypical women's clothes for sexual thrills and one who does so because he genuinely believes his body somehow doesn't match his brain?

And don't say '...because he says so' because that is exactly what the problem is.

 

[monkers]

Well yes - that's why I asked. My perspective is that transgender is merely a term that encompasses transwomen and transmen.

Thank you for that useful and very interesting read. I think it actually explains a lot and sheds a new perspective (for me in any event - can't speak for others) on some of your arguments and views and where misunderstandings are coming from.

I do think - as you highlighted - that for most people when they hear transgender they take it to mean transwomen and transmen, and not CD, TV, HPW (love this term - have never heard of it before!) etc.

Thanks for this. I think you are right. Quite reasonably, I think the public are sure to believe the stuff that has been written by some journalists, some politicians and campaigners. It is has all been rather cleverly weaved into a narrative that trans women are a real threat to the safety of women and girls.

Out of curiosity I wondered if Co-pilot would understand this nuance, so I asked a question. Leaving aside their faux politeness ...

• Transgender is an umbrella term that includes various identities such as cross-dressers (CD), transvestites (TV), and transgender individuals (TS).
• Transgender women can include individuals who occasionally dress as women but identify as male, as well as those who identify and live as women.
• Trans women specifically refers to individuals who were assigned male at birth but identify and live as women, having undergone a social and/or medical transition.

 

[CXRAndy]

refers to individuals who were assigned male at birth

No babies is born trans.

Their sex is confirmed at birth in 99.999999% of cases by simple observation.

 

[monkers]

No babies is born trans.

Their sex is confirmed at birth in 99.999999% of cases by simple observation.

Human reasoning is typically visual or language-based. Like you babies have no innate language skills and therefore no mechanism for reasoning.

The term 'from birth' I will agree is not accurate, but we don't start campaigns against the rights of talented people who will say something like 'they were born to sing' on the basis of they couldn't sing the words to Bohemian Rhapsody during their delivery at birth.

A reasonable reading of the word 'innate' in context is from the time of relevant earliest memories. But of course I am humouring you since I know you have no discernible reasoning ability.

 

[AndyRM]

No babies is born trans.

Their sex is confirmed at birth in 99.999999% of cases by simple observation.

Nice use of "their".

 

[theclaud]

How is anyone supposed to know the difference between a man who wears stereotypical women's clothes for sexual thrills and one who does so because he genuinely believes his body somehow doesn't match his brain?

And don't say '...because he says so' because that is exactly what the problem is.

How is anyone supposed to know the difference between a man who wears stereotypical men's clothes for sexual thrills and one who does so because he genuinely believes his body somehow matches his brain?

 

[AuroraSaab]

For one, men wearing 'mens' clothes doesn't seem to be regarded as a long recorded and well studied paraphilia in the way that men wearing 'womens' clothes is. There's no sexual element to it.

Most importantly, such men aren't seeking access to women's spaces and services so it isn't a problem. It's not the clothes someone wears that's the issue. As you know.

 

[multitool]

We are back to this nonsense of treating every TW as a potential pervert, when it is clear that even before the supposed explosion of TW that Aurora claims has occurred, abuse of women has nothing to do with TW.

It isn't just that Aurora is doing nothing to further women's safety, it's that she's promoting a massive distraction, a bit like helmet believers inadvertently taking the heat off dangerous drivers' behaviour.

Even worse is that she is eliding herself with the hard-right and the far-right who are the very people working to plunge women back into a subservient role.

 

[CXRAndy]

Statistically they have a higher rate of offending than the male population

 

[monkers]

Statistically they have a higher rate of offending than the male population

Aurora failed to produce the evidence - can you?

 

[CXRAndy]

Aurora failed to produce the evidence - can you?