Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

Using 'people with breasts' while calling men 'men' is erasing women's sex specific language. It's insulting to women.

As a woman, I'm never insulted by being treated as a 'person', or included in a collective group known as 'people'. Frankly you lot have just gone insane.

Men have always had breasts. Are we to erase all historic records of references to men having breasts right back to medieval times?

The biological function of breasts between men and women may be quite different. However contextually, for the purpose of saving a life, having to nudge a larger breast to one side to make the procedure successful is not a situation where we have to start redefining what a breast is or is not.

Women can be ''flatchested'', and men can have breasts. You weirdos need to get over yourselves.

 

[Bazzer]

If anything it would have been better to include something in section 5 about saving a life being far more important than modesty.

Correct.
Someone who survived because of CPR is likely to accept the possible consequences of a couple of cracked ribs. Just as a woman who survived because of an AED, is likely to accept her breasts were exposed in order to save her life.
A dead person feels neither pain nor embarrassment.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Men have always had breasts. Are we to erase all historic records of references to men having breasts right back to medieval times?

No need to drop the historical references, just don't call women 'people with breasts' when 'women' will do. Adding 'and other people with breasts' is fine, though of course the purpose is to encourage bystanders not to be worried about touching women during cpr so I expect medieval warriors will be fine, except for Mulan obvs. (That is not an invitation to trans a dead woman btw).

 

[monkers]

No need to drop the historical references, just don't call women 'people with breasts' when 'women' will do. Adding 'and other people with breasts' is fine, though of course the purpose is to encourage bystanders not to be worried about touching women during cpr so I expect medieval warriors will be fine, except for Mulan obvs. (That is not an invitation to trans a dead woman btw).

A question for the men here. If I call myself a ''flat-chested'' lesbian woman, who if had a larger bust would bind my ''chest'' will you have hissy-fits claiming that by appropriating ''your word'', I'm advocating male exclusion? Thought not.

 

[CXRAndy]

What the hell have you been taking
😁

Men in general always think larger breasted women are more interesting even lesbian women
🤣

 

[icowden]

''Person's with breasts'' is absolutely fine for people with breasts.

But isn't "person with breasts" just er... everyone?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

A question for the men here. If I call myself a ''flat-chested'' lesbian woman, who if had a larger bust would bind my ''chest'' will you have hissy-fits claiming that by appropriating ''your word'', I'm advocating male exclusion? Thought not.

Think the point is that they could have used something like ''women and people with breast'' as i read it now they named ''men'' but completely omitted ''women'' if they would have gone fully gender neutral they shouldn't have mentioned men either.

 

[icowden]

Think the point is that they could have used something like ''women and people with breast'' as i read it now they named ''men'' but completely omitted ''women'' if they would have gone fully gender neutral they shouldn't have mentioned men either.

Nope they could have just not made it gender specific at all as gender has nothing to do with CPR. All they needed was something to encourage people not to be concerned about cutting away a bra on the basis that dead people have nothing to be offended about, and living ones are usually grateful not to be dead. Get rid of the clothes, and possibly get assistance to move the breast out of the way if the breast is very large. That's about the extent of it as far as I am aware.

 

[monkers]

But isn't "person with breasts" just er... everyone?

I think we know that flat = chest and bumpy = breasts in either sex. But the gender critical lunatics are out claiming that ''breast'' is their word.

They always blame trans women for changing vocabulary. In truth the language being used about trans people all comes from the cis academic community.

 

[CXRAndy]

Breast has always been associated with females.

Moobs for men

 

[icowden]

Breast has always been associated with females.

Never worn armour then Andy?

 

[Bazzer]

Nope they could have just not made it gender specific at all as gender has nothing to do with CPR. All they needed was something to encourage people not to be concerned about cutting away a bra on the basis that dead people have nothing to be offended about, and living ones are usually grateful not to be dead. Get rid of the clothes, and possibly get assistance to move the breast out of the way if the breast is very large. That's about the extent of it as far as I am aware.

That was all they needed to do.
It can't be difficult to write something like; if any clothing, including undergarments are preventing the proper access to the casualty's chest and thus the effective application of CPR, they should be removed, if necessary by cutting, as quickly as possible.

 

[yello]

I didn't even know there was a thing called a knee cop.

 

[CXRAndy]

Never worn armour then Andy?
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I think breasts on women were around being armour 😁

They can be rather disarming

 

[CXRAndy]

Capture them young, easier to indoctrinate.


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