Gender again. Sorry!

[AndyRM]

Nope.

The average height of a UK male is 5'11".

John Higgins, who won a tour championship at the weekend is 5'8" (as is his opponent Mark Selby).

Height, arm length and hand size don't come into it.

 

[Beebo]

Steve Davis thinks men have a fundamentally selfish approach to snooker, which women don’t have.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/27253279

 

[AndyRM]

Steve Davis thinks men have a fundamentally selfish approach to snooker, which women don’t have.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/27253279

He made some interesting points all those years ago... I agree with most of what he's saying, but not with the brain wiring.

 

[AndyRM]

Here's another Rowling tweet...

At what point is she going to stop obsessing over the queer community I wonder?

For someone who wrote about difference and acceptance being important, she really is weird about it.

 

[CXRAndy]

At what point is she going to stop obsessing over the queer community I wonder?

I guess when men accept, they have no access to women's safe spaces and sports

Let me know when that happens 👍

 

[AuroraSaab]

I'd put money on neither of you being able to name a single other female pool player before this final came to light.

You don't need to have heard of Lance Armstrong or follow cycling to know that unfair advantage is wrong. One purpose of separate competitions is to promote female participation in sports in which women have been historically underrepresented. That is undermined when men can enter.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

I agree with most of what he's saying, but not with the brain wiring.

So no brain wiring, but somehow trans woman are inherently women. Where is the inherent woman based if not in the brain?

Pool is based on skill and focus, not strength or gender.

The trouble with this approach is that someone (insert witty acronym for the NACA transgender sport arbitration committee) has to decide which sports males have advantage in. Then we need to work on that list of non-competitive sports where male advantage doesn't really matter - I think we have Parkrun so far

 

[AndyRM]

So no brain wiring, but somehow trans woman are inherently women. Where is the inherent woman based if not in the brain?

The trouble with this approach is that someone (insert witty acronym for the NACA transgender sport arbitration committee) has to decide which sports males have advantage in. Then we need to work on that list of non-competitive sports where male advantage doesn't really matter - I think we have Parkrun so far

parkrun isn't competitive, we've done this before.

There isn't a gendered advantage when it comes to playing pool.

There might be a witty acronym, I don't want any part of that panel. It's not me who brings these things up when my algorithm tells me to be horrified.

 

[AndyRM]

You don't need to have heard of Lance Armstrong or follow cycling to know that unfair advantage is wrong. One purpose of separate competitions is to promote female participation in sports in which women have been historically underrepresented. That is undermined when men can enter.

We were talking about pool. Not cycling.

Have you found out about either finalists' record prior to this final?

Or learned how to play pool?

 

[AuroraSaab]

We were talking about pool. Not cycling.

The point is it's a competition for women so you don't need to be an expert on pool to know that these 2 men shouldn't be in it.

Have you found out about either finalists' record prior to this final?

The winner, Haynes, has won nothing as a male player as far as I can see. Came straight in to the Women's comps and straight off has won lots in the last 6 years.

Or learned how to play pool?

I know how to play pool, thanks, and have known for about 40 years. I was a member of Riley's snooker club at one point 30 years ago. Height and reach is advantageous.

 

[AndyRM]

The point is it's a competition for women so you don't need to be an expert on pool to know that these 2 men shouldn't be in it.


The winner, Haynes, has won nothing as a male player as far as I can see. Came straight in to the Women's comps and straight off has won lots in the last 6 years.



I know how to play pool, thanks, and have known for about 40 years. I was a member of Riley's snooker club at one point 30 years ago. Height and reach is advantageous.

I'm not an expert, but I know enough that bringing a doping cyclist into the equation is nonsense. As is height and reach.

Whatever, this never goes anywhere.

 

[classic33]

The point is it's a competition for women so you don't need to be an expert on pool to know that these 2 men shouldn't be in it.


The winner, Haynes, has won nothing as a male player as far as I can see. Came straight in to the Women's comps and straight off has won lots in the last 6 years.



I know how to play pool, thanks, and have known for about 40 years. I was a member of Riley's snooker club at one point 30 years ago. Height and reach is advantageous.

As is being able to practice for eight hours a day as Reanne Evans says in the piece linked to.

Tell me, why did women demand to be allowed to play in what was the mens championship?
One result of inclusion was a shorter throwing distance, shorter than in the womens championship, which they were happy to have.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Tell me, why did women demand to be allowed to play in what was the mens championship?

The same reason they wanted to go to what were men's schools and universities, or go into 'men's' careers. Because there was nothing similar for women, only for men, and that was because they were excluded from them because they were women.

Funny how they knew who to exclude when it suited them to exclude women.

 

[classic33]

The same reason they wanted to go to what were men's schools and universities, or go into 'men's' careers. Because there was nothing similar for women, only for men, and that was because they were excluded from them because they were women.

Funny how they knew who to exclude when it suited them to exclude women.

Women wanted, and got, their own championship. Separate still from the mens championship.
Why wasn't getting what they wanted not good enough. And I'm not saying they should be happy/grateful for what got. They wanted exclusion, and got it on their terms.

 

[AuroraSaab]

??? They were happy enough until it was decided men should be allowed in it. They haven't got exclusion if men are allowed in the competition. It's now a mixed sex competition.