Gender again. Sorry!

[AndyRM]

And that's fine.

If you need to have things defined for you, that's not a problem.

The grey area is where most of Team Queerio exist. We just are who we are, doing our thing and don't a shake into reality.

 

[monkers]

The state of affairs if Falkner gets her way.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Challenging non conforming women in toilets is a situation created by transactivists and those who insisted on allowing men to be in women's single sex spaces. The result was women - and staff - couldn't guarantee that the user was a woman regardless of how she looked. Hopefully we'll now return to the convention that only women and girls use women's facilities and this problem will resolve itself.

It's not really much of an argument though. 'You should let men in 'cos sometimes women aren't stereotypes of femininity'.

 

[Xipe Totec]

So instead women must align with left wing men who work to undermine their rights because what? Otherwise they might find themselves on the same side as Andy and Donald Trump? Otherwise you'll call them bigots and fascists? This is the emotive blackmail and forced teaming that has always been used to make women put their needs last, to make them fall into line.


You align yourself with the men who post death and rape threats, who seek to defund rape centres, who want men in women's prisons, who think a raped woman should call her rapist 'she'. If you're going to go down the guilt by association claim that I'm not a feminist because I share some views with Andy then you should own those whose views you share. That's your team; that's who you stand alongside.

And the people you choose to ally with are the same people who would attempt to burn other objects of their disgust to death in their accommodation. I'm sure some of them would pretend that 'protecting women' was part of their reason for doing that, too.

I dunno, maybe that's another thing I'm just too 'woke' to understand, in much the same way as I don't understand why a male rapist would choose to identify as a transwoman, when our society objectively treats male rapists better than it treats transwomen.

 

[CXRAndy]

If you need to have things defined for you, that's not a problem

I didn't, most didn't, children didn't. It was only those aligning with the trans brigade needed a supreme court announcement to see the light.

Almost instantly the announcement was made institutions started changing their policies.

 

[AndyRM]

See this light that's going on? Gis a shout when it clicks on yeah?

 

[AuroraSaab]

And the people you choose to ally with are the same people who would attempt to burn other objects of their disgust to death in their accommodation. I'm sure some of them would pretend that 'protecting women' was part of their reason for doing that, too.

And your allies post hundreds of death and rape threats to women in the guise of protecting their community too so you can hardly take the moral high ground there.

I dunno, maybe that's another thing I'm just too 'woke' to understand, in much the same way as I don't understand why a male rapist would choose to identify as a transwoman, when our society objectively treats male rapists better than it treats transwomen.

I thought they were simply just becoming their true selves and they'd always been women?

The point is that in countries with self id society does treat male rapists who say they are women better than it treats ordinary male rapists. It puts them in women's jails or special wings rather than the general population.

Once released half of Scottish transwomen prisoners reverted to living as men.

https://archive.ph/K9r07

 

[CXRAndy]

See this light that's going on? Gis a shout when it clicks on yeah?

Well the trans brigade are now confronted with cold light of the day.

This week coming and beyond, single sex places will start barring trans, documents will reflect their sex. Sporting bodies will announce that female sport is just for females.

That's seeing the light, even if it blinds them

 

[AndyRM]

This trans brigade you speak of, where's the sign up sheet? I'd get amongst if such a thing existed.

Natural light is a blessing, I'm a big fan, and I don't need an algorithm based lamp to help me with it.

 

[CXRAndy]

This trans brigade you speak of, where's the sign up sheet? I'd get amongst if such a thing existed.

Natural light is a blessing, I'm a big fan, and I don't need an algorithm based lamp to help me with it.

Maybe you could inform some of your less enlightened friends

Change is coming, well more of, how it was in the olden days👍

 

[icowden]

Challenging non conforming women in toilets is a situation created by transactivists and those who insisted on allowing men to be in women's single sex spaces. The result was women - and staff - couldn't guarantee that the user was a woman regardless of how she looked. Hopefully we'll now return to the convention that only women and girls use women's facilities and this problem will resolve itself.

That just isn't true. Whilst I may not agree with @monkers on some things, the situation was created by prejudice. The people using a particular toilet won't change. It will be the perception of the handbag clutchers that changes.

That's all.

 

[CXRAndy]

Yes it has, because it's become a highly public debate. Why do you think certain retailers have changed toilet facilities.

If they weren't aware nobody would be questioning butch looking women.

Monkers probably say it's always happened to her

 

[AndyRM]

Maybe you could inform some of your less enlightened friends

Change is coming, well more of, how it was in the olden days👍

The olden days? What are those?

You've shat it at the idea of conscription before so I don't think it'll be those olden days...

 

[CXRAndy]

Well, we've only got to go back probably 10-15 yrs when everyone knew what a woman was 👍

 

[AuroraSaab]

That just isn't true. Whilst I may not agree with @monkers on some things, the situation was created by prejudice. The people using a particular toilet won't change. It will be the perception of the handbag clutchers that changes.

That's all.

It's not unreasonable to not want men in women's spaces, including toilets. That isn't prejudice or pearl clutching. Why don't you put your efforts into campaigning for 3rd unisex spaces? Why don't you instead welcome these men into your own toilets if you believe them to be harmless yet persecuted? Your patronising dismissal of women's concerns comes at no cost to you whatsoever but you seem reluctant to do anything but tell women their feelings don't matter.

Instead you could do this: