AndyRM
Elder Goth
What about biological women going into the men's facilities?
Gender again. Sorry!
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What about biological women going into the men's facilities?
CXRAndy
Veteran
If they feel brave enough, let them go. They are taking a risk after all
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Ah right, so those biological women in with all them "red blooded males" ain't an issue because they're brave?
Gotcha.
You really are all over the place with this.
CXRAndy
Veteran
I didn't say it wasn't an issue, I said if they were brave enough.
There is, has always been a small proportion of men who will take advantage of a situation. The stats on male sexual offences confirm this
icowden
Squire
Again. Do you read what you write? If the blanket ban is for everywhere then the mens facilities are also banned.
No they aren't. They never have been.
Any man over about 40 who has female children is likely to have had cause to use a ladies toilet. 20 years ago, that was where the baby change tended to be. Further, even when you are past that stage it is not unheard of to have a 5 to 7 year old calling for help. If there are no ladies around, you just go in and help. Simple.
There is no ban.
icowden
Squire
But you just said they were banned. Are they banned or aren't they banned?
And where are your blankets? Honestly, you'd be better off hiding under them. You appear to be terrified of people.
CXRAndy
Veteran
Never, I have always, used the mens to take my children to the loo. Or on rare occasions I would send my daughter's into the females toilets on their own. Never would I go into women's toilets
monkers
Squire
I don't. What is this obsession with measuring? The law provides a formal and legal route for those people who wish to live in the gender role of a person with the opposite gender. That's the division. In public people can dress as they like, and not even nudity is illegal unless accompanied by a sexual act.
We already have Aurora's obsession with not being able to distinguish between a pervy man and trans woman with a GRC.
Now we have your obsession guided by four pictures scraped from the internet from goodness knows where in the world. If a person who by your judgement must be a pervert because there is a photograph of them in a dress in their bedroom at home, then I feel sorry for you.
What is their wrongdoing? What crime are you alleging? Who gets to judge what is deviant behaviour and what is not? You and Aurora have made this tag team where judging people on the internet is something that everybody should care about.
The history of lawmaking in the UK is that we all have free lives. An act is only illegal or unlawful when statute or common law say so.
We also live under a guiding principle of ''mind your own funking business''. When it comes to men at home doing their own thing, it's none of my business. However you want me to join in with your obsessions of what men do at home. I couldn't care less what they do with their wife's knickers, a rubber glove full of warm treacle, the handle of the hairbrush, a jar of Vaseline and the Dyson. It's none of my business how people get their jollies.
I used to be in Portsmouth quite often at one point. In the North End area there was a older chap walking around in a skirt minding his own business, shopping in Aldi etc. Many times police were called to him. People would gather round to hear what was being said. He wasn't creating the public spectacle, they were. On each occasion, the chap was allowed to continue and the crowd would be dispersed. He was not impersonating a woman for nefarious purposes, he was buying provisions.
He said he was not attempting femininity. The skirt was the only item being challenged. There was no indecent exposure. His explanation was that he was comfortable wearing something of his late wife, that his life was devasted by her death. I would hate to deprive him of his way of handling his grief.
monkers
Squire
Good for you, you are exercising your choices. Now leave other people to exercise their choices.
monkers
Squire
I care about the safety of women, not the ''sanctity'' of a non-gendered public space. I also care about the safety of men.
CXRAndy
Veteran
No you don't when you advocate males to be allowed in women's spaces.
monkers
Squire
This is clearly too complex for you. Male is the sex of a man. Woman is the gender of a female. So are spaces delineated by sex or by gender? You are still very confused.
The answer is, ''it depends''. But usually the division is unnecessary since private spaces solve the issue.
I'd have no issue with IanC bringing his daughter into the women's loo. Why would I? And if you came into the women's loo, used the cubicle, and left I'd have no problem with that. I'd think very badly of you if you didn't wash your hands though.
It's behaviour that matters.
mickle
New Member
Another wordy swerve. Ill rephrase it in the hope that you can sooner or later grasp the nettle I'm proffering.
How does a woman, lets say; late at night and alone in a public toilet, differentiate, between:
another woman
a bloke dressed up as a woman
a bloke dressed up as a 'transwoman'
a transexual
an autogynephile crossdressing pervy bloke
a GRC equipped 'transwoman' and
a self-ID'd 'transwoman'
a non-binarian
Whats the measurable difference? She wants to decide pretty quickly as its a potentially dangerous situation. She knows that men account for 95%+ of all violent and sexual assaults, that women account for 88% of the victims of those assaults and that the rates don't change when a man 'transitions' to 'become a woman'.
monkers
Squire
She doesn't need to because the data that persuaded you that is necessary was entirely false. You are still taken in by the propaganda that you posted.
Otherwise to follow you argument, it is more wrong for a man to attack a woman in the women's toilet than for him to drag her into the men's toilet to attack her - this is exactly what Russell Brand is alleged to have done.
The very idea that a man will not attack a woman in a space designated as a woman's space is for the birds. Men with that motive will always find an opportunity to attack women. Signs on doors are not a deterrent.
