Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

You were so sure, alas not sure enough 😁

Unlike the bad faith actors here, if and when I am in error, I admit the error. You could learn from that.

I made one error recently highlighted by Aurora - I did not writhe like bait on a hook, I admitted the error. We all make occasional errors. Errors require no forgiveness if they were made without malice aforethought.

I do make effort to ensure that what I say is correct. Sadly in the day of misinformation we find ourselves in, there is much of it, and checking it is becoming more difficult, which is great news for propagandists like yourself.

As far as Mickle is concerned, his posting history is one of a bad faith actor who can not admit mistakes or shortcomings.

The first photograph is yet to be authenticated, so you can not yet say that H's appraisal of it is incorrect. What he has said, has been said neutrally and in good faith.

I accept that the second photograph is authenticated.

 

[CXRAndy]

All in your very humble opinion 👍

 

[monkers]

All in your very humble opinion 👍

Have you nothing better to do with your life?

 

[CXRAndy]

Have you nothing better to do with your life?

It's raining here. 🌧

It's comically ironic 🤣


Why do you keep replying? Have you nothing better to do with your life?

 

[monkers]

It's raining here. 🌧

It's comically ironic 🤣


Why do you keep replying? Have you nothing better to do with your life?

I am not the stalking troll. That'd be you.

 

[mickle]

Harms

 

[monkers]

Harms

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Interesting that you call me the ghoul. Yet you are the one scraping the internet for stories and images.

Perhaps we should just turn the thread over to you three with your frankly weird obsessions. Otherwise do we start posting surgical failures carried out on cis people too - or does your morbid obsessions only fix on trans people?

Penile girth surgery complications anyone? Just for you then Mickle. Hope these are to your taste.

 

[AuroraSaab]

This thread has obviously taken a bit of a grim turn. It's important though because we need to ask ourselves whether young people truly know what they are letting themselves in for when they go down the medical and surgical route.

Last year there was leak of papers, emails, information from Wpath - the association of transgender medics. Amongst the things discussed:

- Doctors acknowledge that patients are sometimes too young to fully understand the consequences of puberty blockers and hormones for their fertility. “It’s always a good theory that you talk about fertility preservation with a 14-year-old, but I know I’m talking to a blank wall,” one Canadian endocrinologist says.

- WPATH’s president, Dr Marci Bowers, comments on the impact of early blocking of puberty on sexual function in adulthood. “To date,” she writes, “I’m unaware of an individual claiming ability to orgasm when they were blocked at Tanner 2.” Tanner stage 2 is the beginning of puberty. It can be as young as nine in girls.

- discussions on how to manage “trans clients” with dissociative identity disorder (what used to be called multiple personality disorder) when “not all the alters have the same gender identity”.

- Surgeons talk about procedures that result in bodies that don’t exist in nature: those with both sets of genitals – the “phallus-preserving vaginoplasty”; double mastectomies that don’t have nipples; “nullification” surgery, where there are no genitals at all, just smooth skin.

- doctors discuss the possibility that 16-year-old patients have liver cancer as the result of taking hormones.

The posters on here who say in effect 'doctors know best' should consider whether these medics do know best. Can 9 year old children understand that puberty blockers will mean no sexual function or pleasure as an adult? Or make an informed decidion about future fertility at 16? What ethical surgeon performs genital removal on a patient with multiple personality disorder?

The more you look into gender medicine the more the whole thing is a giant unethical scam, driven by social media and mostly exploiting vulnerable young people.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...us-gender-group-wpath-ring-alarm-bells-in-nhs

 

[AuroraSaab]

A quick google suggests penile enlargement surgery is a day care procedure - no overnight stay required. It is obviously going to have far fewer complications than removing your genitals entirely and is incomparable in consequences.

 

[CXRAndy]

I am not the stalking troll. That'd be you.

Your dry irony is refreshing

Watching you watching me 😁

Whilst your waiting for my next reply you can gaze over these photos of my walks around some of the fields we have

 

[monkers]

This thread has obviously taken a bit of a grim turn.

I agree.

The lesson. All surgery carries risks. The acceptable degree of risk is found after considering the ratio of benefits and harms.

Evidence of some degree of risk of harm is not evidence that surgery is never an option.

Harm does occur when patients are lied to about success rates and surgery failure rates. Consent can only be given when the risks are known to them and the correct advice and support is given.

Bodily autonomy is something that feminists like me campaign have long campaigned for. Our rights to bodily autonomy are under attack.

So called ''cosmetic surgery'' that intends to please others, ie breast enlargement because your Sun reading partner 'likes big tits', is not in the same league as gender affirming surgery, whereupon those who receive the treatment thank their surgeon for either enormously enhancing their life, and in some cases for saving their life.

Since I have met with Mr Bellringer on a number of occasions, you might accuse me of bias, however those meetings did enable me to see that Mr Bellringer is a dedicated, earnest, caring and compassionate man. He cares for his patients wellbeing more than his own.

If you haven't watched his video that I linked, you should. More than that you should the comments from his patients beneath it.

The trans women that I have met I have seen blossom not when they have received their gender affirming surgery, but when they receive the promise of it.

You've heard N's own personal account. You continue to dismiss it, you should not. She changed from a 10 year who cared so little for her life that she was prepared to end it, to a happy and successful woman leading a fruitful life. Why are you so desperate not to hear from people like N?

 

[AuroraSaab]

I have made it very obvious that my opinion is that your lawyer niece is a creation made to give weight to your legal pontifications. Ditto your surgeon cousin. It's the 'appeal to authority' argument, with no verification just the assumption that everyone on here will believe it.

I'm not interested in speculating on what projection is going on when you give us your lengthy trans anecdotes. The arguments stand on their own merits, even when someone as duplicitous as you make them.

Drastic irreversible surgery that removes healthy body parts to cure a mental health problem is unethical medicine, regardless of how many doctors you can find who will do it for ££££.

 

[monkers]

I have made it very obvious that my opinion is that your lawyer niece is a creation made to give weight to your legal pontifications. Ditto your surgeon cousin. It's the 'appeal to authority' argument, with no verification just the assumption that everyone on here will believe it.

I'm not interested in speculating on what projection is going on when you give us your lengthy trans anecdotes. The arguments stand on their own merits, even when someone as duplicitous as you make them.

Once again then your opinion is invalid since it has no basis in fact. I guess then my partner is an invention, my house is an invention - oh yes CX Randy has already tried that one, and Mickle has insisted that he knows I'm a trans woman. Mustn't deviate from the indoctrinated narrative eh when you've be taught the the gender critical ideology.

 

[AuroraSaab]

If you look up Dr James Bellringer there are plenty of bad reviews amongst the good ones re his surgeries.

 

[AuroraSaab]

No, your partner isn't an invention. You've named them on main CC and the pair of you are all over the Internet, with you using the same photo you used to use on here when you first joined. That's how I know - and have known for years - that your persona on here is just that, a fiction.