Gender again. Sorry!

[Bromptonaut]

I would have hoped that the obvious would be evident. But for the avoidance of doubt, I am not monkers but her niece.

I'm probably not alone in being discombobulated by postings from beyond the grave!!!

Would you consider setting up an account of your own?

 

[monkers]

I'm probably not alone in being discombobulated by postings from beyond the grave!!!

Would you consider setting up an account of your own?

I'm here to reply to the messages. This really isn't a place I want to be otherwise - there's little sense of being made welcome. I'll give it a few more days to reply to people, then I'll be gone.

 

[AuroraSaab]

My standpoint is perfectly simple;
transwomen* are women.

That's a metaphysical belief, which you're entitle to hold of course. But if you truly believe that then you must also think such men should also be in women's refuges, prisons, lesbian groups, changing rooms, sports, including boxing and rugby - without any gatekeeping whatsoever - because there's no gatekeeping re being female in those things.

If you think there should be some limitations on access or any gatekeeping then you don't really think they are women. If you honestly think men should have access to spaces where women and girls are vulnerable, just on their say so, then you are a man who has no regard for the safety or feelings of women because you prioritise men's feelings over theirs.

Introducing a dumb clusk who assaults people doesn't have any bearing on that.

It's very relevant. Men in women's spaces compromise women's safety and privacy. Mixed sex spaces are less safe for women.
If you think transwomen are women you are advocating for women's spaces to be mixed sex and therefore less safe.

* I think you'll find that 'transwomen' is considered a bit transphobic amongst those you align yourself with btw. Your grammar is bigoted. Oh dear.

 

[Bromptonaut]

That's a metaphysical belief, which you're entitle to hold of course. But if you truly believe that then you must also think such men should also be in women's refuges, prisons, lesbian groups, changing rooms, sports, including boxing and rugby - without any gatekeeping whatsoever - because there's no gatekeeping re being female in those things.

It's very relevant. Men in women's spaces compromise women's safety and privacy. Mixed sex spaces are less safe for women.
If you think transwomen are women you are advocating for women's spaces to be mixed sex and therefore less safe.

* I think you'll find that 'transwomen' is considered a bit transphobic amongst those you align yourself with btw. Your grammar is bigoted. Oh dear.

I think I've made my position clear enough down the time this thread's been running. It's different to yours. Neither of us is going to convince the other so there's no mileage in having the last word.

Some things need gatekeeping if only to keep out those with ill intent and I'd include prisons in that.

GRCs were supposed to put the sex/gender of their holder beyond doubt. The Supreme Court has, or appears to have, driven a coach and horses through that.

As to my terminology I'll set myself some lines!!