Gender again. Sorry!

[mudsticks]

May that time pass quickly for you so that you can enjoy other things.

Thanks , but it's OK, I very much like my work 😇

 

[qigong chimp]

The mental gymnastics you're prepared to do to convince yourself are astounding.

Wouldn't gymnastics take the singular verb form here; "is astounding"?
And does this mean that being exercised about trans issues could serve as a prophylactic against Alzheimer's in the same way as cryptic crosswords, classical music, learning another language?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Just voicing their "genuine concerns", no

The Nazis turned up to have a scrap with Antifa and the pro trans demonstrators. Do you imagine they were there to politely listen to women talk about their experiences? They turn up uninvited to fight anybody pro trans, it doesn't matter who organised the event.

Angry men fighting other angry men is nothing new. Men blaming women for what men do isn't new either.

 

[monkers]

You're joking. Not to do with being female? At a time when women and everything they possessed were the property of their husbands, whether rich or poor? They didn't need to check your purse to know who to exclude from voting. The mental gymnastics you're prepared to do to convince yourself are astounding.

There you go again - not reading the post before posting a rant.

It is a matter of record about which people were entitled to vote. Along the UK timeline of such entitlement to a parliamentary vote you'll find that some women were able to vote while a majority of men could not since the qualification came from age and property ownership.

Next time, mug up and try harder.

 

[monkers]

The Nazis turned up to have a scrap with Antifa and the pro trans demonstrators. Do you imagine they were there to politely listen to women talk about their experiences? They turn up uninvited to fight anybody pro trans, it doesn't matter who organised the event.

Angry men fighting other angry men is nothing new. Men blaming women for what men do isn't new either.

And within that film clip that was posted, there was Parker enjoying watching a woman protester being knocked to the ground by her security goons. There's a reason she requires goons for protection - she is spreading hate speech and inciting violence.

 

[theclaud]

Just voicing their "genuine concerns", no doubt


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Quite gay, some of these Aussie Nazis. Has anyone told them?

 

[theclaud]

The Nazis turned up to have a scrap with Antifa and the pro trans demonstrators.

Probably best to take a side, in that case, no? Ideally not the same one as the Nazis. Just a thought.

 

[winjim]

If you're not antifa, you're fa.

 

[AuroraSaab]

There you go again - not reading the post before posting a rant.

It is a matter of record about which people were entitled to vote. Along the UK timeline of such entitlement to a parliamentary vote you'll find that some women were able to vote while a majority of men could not since the qualification came from age and property ownership.

Next time, mug up and try harder.

The vote was withheld from ALL women, every single one, regardless of age, status, or wealth. They were denied the vote explicitly on the basis of their sex.

Saying 'Well working class blokes couldn't vote either, so that's the same really' is disingenuous nonsense.

 

[monkers]

The vote was withheld from ALL women, every single one, regardless of age, status, or wealth. They were denied the vote explicitly on the basis of their sex.

Saying 'Well working class blokes couldn't vote either, so that's the same really' is disingenuous nonsense.

The vote was withheld from ALL women, every single one, regardless of age, status, or wealth. They were denied the vote explicitly on the basis of their sex.

You are incorrect. See British Library ...

https://www.bl.uk/votes-for-women/articles/womens-suffrage-timeline

 

[AuroraSaab]

And within that film clip that was posted, there was Parker enjoying watching a woman protester being knocked to the ground by her security goons. There's a reason she requires goons for protection - she is spreading hate speech and inciting violence.

It's not in the clip in this thread. Are you talking about the transactivist who broke through and rushed the speaker?

The police kept the Nazis and the transactivists apart, and formed a barrier so KJK's group could do their thing. That's the police's job in a democracy.

Her events require protection from the police because aggressive men in black turn up to intimidate the women. The presence of these aggressive men in black attracts other aggressive men in black.

I have issues with KJK's approach but as long as they are not breaking the law anybody should be free to meet in public without their safety being under threat.

You are incorrect. See British Library ...

In 1928 women got the vote on the same terms as men. A small number of property owning women had the vote from 1918, when ALL men got the vote.

NO WOMEN HAD HAD THE VOTE PREVIOUSLY. NOT A SINGLE ONE. BECAUSE THEY WERE WOMEN.

Only you could try to spin this as not being denied rights on the basis of their sex.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Probably best to take a side, in that case, no? Ideally not the same one as the Nazis. Just a thought.

It would be helpful if KJK condemned outright the aggressive men who turn up to scrap with the transactivists rather than taking the 'It's nothing to do with me' leaving-them-to-it stance.

I'm sure you'd agree we shouldn't encourage guilt by association though.

 

[monkers]

It's not in the clip in this thread. Are you talking about the transactivist who broke through and rushed the speaker?

The police kept the Nazis and the transactivists apart, and formed a barrier so KJK's group could do their thing. That's the police's job in a democracy.

Her events require protection from the police because aggressive men in black turn up to intimidate the women. The presence of these aggressive men in black attracts other aggressive men in black.

I have issues with KJK's approach but as long as they are not breaking the law anybody should be free to meet in public without their safety being under threat.



In 1928 women got the vote on the same terms as men. A small number of property owning women had the vote from 1918, when ALL men got the vote.

NO WOMEN HAD HAD THE VOTE PREVIOUSLY. NOT A SINGLE ONE. BECAUSE THEY WERE WOMEN.

Only you could try to spin this as not being denied rights on the basis of their sex.

Ah, so the British Library are clueless too as far as you are concerned eh?

Before 1832 women were not prevented from voting provided they had property of their own. They were not prevented from owning property or from voting on account of their sex.

The 1832 Act changed that which imposed such restrictions that not only could women no longer vote, but only 10% of men qualified.

This was clearly about oppression of people who were either poor or female or both.

It is incorrect to say that electoral oppression was a case of men oppressing women; as in your telling of history that suggests that all men were oppressing all women. Ninety per cent of men did not have the vote either. It is not disingenuous to point this out when 5% of the population gave themselves the privilege to remove the rights of the other ninety per cent.

And you'll kindly note that I have not said that the rights for women to vote were not hard won, because they absolutely were, but that has no place in the discussion about the equal rights of men and women to be treated no less favourably due to their sex in the EqA 2010.

 

[Bromptonaut]

The history of the Universal Franchise in the UK is complicated.

 

[theclaud]

It would be helpful if KJK condemned outright the aggressive men who turn up to scrap with the transactivists rather than taking the 'It's nothing to do with me' leaving-them-to-it stance.

I'm sure you'd agree we shouldn't encourage guilt by association though.

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You keep banging on about Corbyn in this thread for some reason. It's mental. The media ran a hostile campaign against Corbyn. Some of us didn't fall for it. What parallel are you trying to make?