Gender again. Sorry!

[multitool]

Aurora's argument is in essence an ontological one. She takes some premises and uses them to come to a conclusion that does not relate to observable reality, which is why she is so keen to stick to her formulaic argument and cannot relate it to examples close to her. She is, in effect, defining a threat into existence and extrapolating it ad absurdam. If you ask for examples you get an overused screenshot of some American utter weirdo, rather than anything from her home town, or indeed area.

 

[monkers]

Aurora's argument is in essence an ontological one. She takes some premises and uses them to come to a conclusion that does not relate to observable reality and is quite far removed from her premises, which is why she is so keen to stick to her formulaic argument and cannot relate it to examples close to her. She is, in effect, defining a threat into existence and extrapolating it ad absurdam. If you ask for examples you get an overused screenshot of some American utter weirdo, rather than anything from her home town, or indeed area.

True, but even American weirdos and Barbie Kardashian are human beings with rights. Even when we incarcerate people for wrongdoing, we can easily justify removing their freedoms, but less easily justify removing their rights. BK suffered a horrendous upbringing, it's a collective responsibility for the people of RofI to try and fix that, but locking up a young person with mental health difficulties for 23 hours per day in solitude is shameful. Some people sound almost gleeful about it, a sad loss of their sense of humanity.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Aurora's argument is in essence an ontological one. She takes some premises and uses them to come to a conclusion that does not relate to observable reality, which is why she is so keen to stick to her formulaic argument and cannot relate it to examples close to her. She is, in effect, defining a threat into existence and extrapolating it ad absurdam. If you ask for examples you get an overused screenshot of some American utter weirdo, rather than anything from her home town, or indeed area.

Statistics about how the rates of criminality differ between males and females is observable reality. Scientific research about the physical advantages that a male biology provides in most sports is observable reality. The statistics about the kids referred to the Tavistock is observable reality.

You are making some fairly extraordinary claims - that men can become women - and providing no evidence for them, yet simply expecting people to believe them and for women to give up single sex spaces and services on the basis of your unproven belief.
At least the believers who tell us our chakras aren't aligned don't demand anything of us.

 

[multitool]

Statistics about how the rates of criminality differ between males and females is observable reality. Scientific research about the physical advantages that a male biology provides in most sports is observable reality. The statistics about the kids referred to the Tavistock is observable reality.

Here we go again...

You are making some fairly extraordinary claims - that men can become women - and providing no evidence for them,
At least the believers who tell us our chakras aren't aligned don't demand anything of us.

I have made no such claim.

Please stop lying.

 

[qigong chimp]

At least the believers who tell us our chakras aren't aligned don't demand anything of us.

What've you got against Kundalini, for heaven's sake?

 

[multitool]

She'll shït herself in fury when she hears about Sudyumna, Shikhandi, Riskha, Aruni, Ardhanarishvara, Gopeshwar Mahadev, Mohini,...

 

[AuroraSaab]

The only fury on this thread seems to be coming from you. 'She'll sh*t herself...'.. 'You've got a hard-on for...' .. you just can't help yourself. Truly the Noel Coward of transactivism.

 

[multitool]

LOL, as if I'm a transactivist

I'm an anti-bigotist. Hence challenging your incessant bumgravy

 

[icowden]

Androgen insensitivity.
5-alpha reductase deficiency.
CAH.

CAH males usually present as such. CAH females may present with what looks like male genitalia but the internal organs are female. So not an issue.

5-alpha reductase deficiency only occurs in males and people with this condition have testes not ovaries

AIS occurs in genetic males with the result that they gave some physical traits of a woman but are genetically male (no ovaries, womb etc).

Next?

 

[winjim]

CAH males usually present as such. CAH females may present with what looks like male genitalia but the internal organs are female. So not an issue.

5-alpha reductase deficiency only occurs in males and people with this condition have testes not ovaries

AIS occurs in genetic males with the result that they gave some physical traits of a woman but are genetically male (no ovaries, womb etc).

Next?

Well there was a next, yes. Did you read it?

You've flipped from 'biological man/woman' to 'male/female' as your descriptor. You're not being consistent. You gave three categories into which, presumably, you can place all individuals. How do you categorise those people with the conditions I mentioned?

 

[winjim]

• Biological Woman: A human being with the necessary internal organs for creating and growing another human being - or if you prefer - someone with XX chromosomes.
• Biological Man: someone without those items but who has testes - or someone with XY chromosomes.
• Intersex: Someone who may have both ovaries and testes and who has chromosomal anomaly such that they are neither XX nor XY but either a mixture of both or with additional chromosomes (XXY etc).

These categories. If you start introducing other criteria you're kind of making my point for me.

I don't intend this as any sort of gotcha.

 

[monkers]

CAH males usually present as such. CAH females may present with what looks like male genitalia but the internal organs are female. So not an issue.

5-alpha reductase deficiency only occurs in males and people with this condition have testes not ovaries

AIS occurs in genetic males with the result that they gave some physical traits of a woman but are genetically male (no ovaries, womb etc).

Next?

All of them human beings with human rights. All of us human beings with no right to deny human rights of others.

 

[multitool]

View: https://twitter.com/JemTraylen/status/1639796679200370688?s=20


This is Wellington today. KJK fled the country but women still turned up to the rally she cancelled.

Sorry, did I say 'women'. I must find another word because you are only a woman if you are anti trans. Or so our little anti trans forum colleague would have you believe.

 

[winjim]

All of them human beings with human rights. All of us human beings with no right to deny human rights of others.

Sometimes to ensure that people are being treated fairly in accordance with their rights, we assign them a category. I'm trying to figure out if we can do that by using the stated definitions.

So there are two aspects, can we assign them a category and if we can, how does being in that category affect our treatment of them and our respect of their rights and the rights of others?

 

[AuroraSaab]

View: https://twitter.com/JemTraylen/status/1639796679200370688?s=20


This is Wellington today. KJK fled the country but women still turned up to the rally she cancelled.

Sorry, did I say 'women'. I must find another word because you are only a woman if you are anti trans. Or so our little anti trans forum colleague would have you believe.

Nope. It's just biological, I'm afraid. What you are anti or pro doesn't come into it.