Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

The photos are of transactivists in the UK. Dressed in black, aggressively intimidating women. They represent your views more than Australian Nazis represent mine.

 

[monkers]

The photos are of transactivists in the UK. Dressed in black, aggressively intimidating women. They represent your views more than Australian Nazis represent mine.

It's a job to follow your line of thought. One minute you are talking about trans activitists, then Nazis, then men in black.

Do you know the difference between UK and NZ? No? Well the difference is that NZ does have Rupert Murdoch controlled media to help bigots spread their hatred. The reason that trans hate has increased in the UK is that fact, and this is because he is doing the work of a government hoping to win successive elections by invoking and promoting a culture war that they claim to be trying to shut down. As a feminist I'd expect you to come from the socially liberal left, but so many of you have been captured by the ultra right who are promoting your views. You've been suckered.

You do not speak for all women, not for all feminists, not for all lesbians. Kathleen Stock has a new pet hate project - to divide opinion between lesbians. As a known and out lesbian I've signed the campaign against her endeavour.

It hasn't been enough to divide women, divide feminists, divide her colleagues in academic philosophy, she now thinks it necessary to divide lesbians too. She is no friend to womanhood. It's an ideology based on a twisted sense of purity, just like Nazism.

 

[AuroraSaab]

And no, I won't condemn people turning up to drown out Nazis and hate-incitement from KJK. It is their right to speak.

Lol. Just theirs apparently. Have you found any footage of women turning up at a trans event to disrupt and intimidate yet? No, because most gender critical women believe in the right of everyone to meet and speak on issues.

Even at their own rallies transactivists show us all what they think of women. No KJK or Nazis to be seen at the trans rally in Edinburgh but out came the Decapitate Terfs sign.

 

[monkers]

Lol. Just theirs apparently. Have you found any footage of women turning up at a trans event to disrupt and intimidate yet? No, because most gender critical women believe in the right of everyone to meet and speak on issues.

Even at their own rallies transactivists show us all what they think of women. No KJK or Nazis to be seen at the trans rally in Edinburgh but out came the Decapitate Terfs sign.

How many TERFs have been decapitated? How many trans women have been murdered?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Do you know the difference between UK and NZ? No? Well the difference is that NZ does have Rupert Murdoch controlled media to help bigots spread their hatred. The reason that trans hate has increased in the UK is that fact, and this is because he is doing the work of a government hoping to win successive elections by invoking and promoting a culture war that they claim to be trying to shut down.

I think transactivists are doing a pretty good job of turning public opinion against trans activism themselves. The sports and prisons issues alone must have done that. And then when they see transactivists at work, well unsurprisingly it doesn't endear the public to the cause.

As a feminist I'd expect you to come from the socially liberal left, but so many of you have been captured by the ultra right who are promoting your views. You've been suckered.

There's nothing progressive about trying to remove women's rights. Oppression on the basis of sex is a foundation of Marxism though the left wing misogynists are happily forgetting that.

You do not speak for all women, not for all feminists, not for all lesbians. Kathleen Stock has a new pet hate project - to divide opinion between lesbians. As a known and out lesbian I've signed the campaign against her endeavour.

Lol. Neither do you. It's a group for lesbian women. Seems fair enough. The lesbians who want to include transwomen in their groups already have Stonewall, but they can start a trans lesbian group if they like too I suppose. Groups are allowed to have stuff of their own. Trans people can and do have groups and services that exclude non trans people. Start your own group if you like; let other people have theirs.

It hasn't been enough to divide women, divide feminists, divide her colleagues in academic philosophy, she now thinks it necessary to divide lesbians too. She is no friend to womanhood. It's an ideology based on a twisted sense of purity, just like Nazism.

Not being allowed to join every group going isn't a twisted sense of purity. I don't expect to be allowed in a group for gay men or a service for trans people. How is she dividing lesbians? The ones who want to include transwomen in their groups can. The ones who don't want to will look elsewhere, maybe to her group or another one.

Feminists have never been united on transgender issues as far as I can see. Not sure that lesbians have been either. I'm sure Kathleen Stock would be bemused at the immense power you imagine she wields though.

 

[monkers]

I think transactivists are doing a pretty good job of turning public opinion against trans activism themselves. The sports and prisons issues alone must have done that. And then when they see transactivists at work, well unsurprisingly it doesn't endear the public to the cause.

There's nothing progressive about trying to remove women's rights. Oppression on the basis of sex is a foundation of Marxism though the left wing misogynists are happily forgetting that.

Lol. Neither do you. It's a group for lesbian women. Seems fair enough. The lesbians who want to include transwomen in their groups already have Stonewall, but they can start a trans lesbian group if they like too I suppose. Groups are allowed to have stuff of their own. Trans people can and do have groups and services that exclude non trans people. Start your own group if you like; let other people have theirs.




Not being allowed to join every group going isn't a twisted sense of purity. I don't expect to be allowed in a group for gay men or a service for trans people. How is she dividing lesbians? The ones who want to include transwomen in their groups can. The ones who don't want to will look elsewhere, maybe to her group or another one.

Feminists have never been united on transgender issues as far as I can see. Not sure that lesbians have been either. I'm sure Kathleen Stock would be bemused at the immense power you imagine she wields though.

You understand nothing. I'm not a member of a lesbian group. I'm a lesbian who thinks that organising lesbians into two groups based on support for trans rights or otherwise is a movement based on hate. I'm not surprised that you are unable to see that.

You don't have to be a lesbian attracted to trans people to defend the principle, just a lesbian who defends human rights.

 

[AuroraSaab]

It's not hateful for lesbians to exclude whoever they like from their group. They are self-selecting to do so, they aren't being corralled into it, by Kathleen Stock or anybody else lol.

The principle is: not everybody has to be in everything. Groups are allowed their own stuff and it's not hateful to organise around your own specific needs and interests. If people feel groups like Stonewall no longer meet their needs they are quite right to put their money and energies into groups that do.

 

[multitool]

Just one small problem with Rowling's tweet...

This photo of a hand on KJK's neck with a knife to it in the other side, which the TERFs have been citing as TRA violence against women, is in fact one of her hired bodyguard's hands, and the "knife" is her own iPhone.

But here is Rowling tweeting it out anyway, despite it being roundly debunked.

Rowling also tweeted about a man being violent towards a 70 year old woman, complete with photo of a huge man shouting at a tiny lady, citing it as an example of TRA violence towards women.

Turns out it was another of KJK's people shouting at a 70 year old who was there to protest against Keen's hate incitement in her country.

This is the level of utter bullshît spread by Rowling and lackeys like Aurora.

 

[monkers]

It's not hateful for lesbians to exclude whoever they like from their group. They are self-selecting to do so, they aren't being corralled into it, by Kathleen Stock or anybody else lol.

The principle is: not everybody has to be in everything. Groups are allowed their own stuff and it's not hateful to organise around your own specific needs and interests. If people feel groups like Stonewall no longer meet their needs they are quite right to put their money and energies into groups that do.

'A lesbian group', a new group for lesbians that excludes ... wait for it ... drumroll ... lesbians.

 

[multitool]

Here we go...

She has deleted it now, but, of course, she has 14 million twitter followers and we can't tell how many of those who have seen it know that she has deleted it because it was untrue.

This is JK Rowling. Not some anonymous person spouting anti-trans rhetoric and downright lies on a hobbyist forum.

There may have been violence. Highly likely in fact given the anger whipped up by the hateful rhetoric from KJK, but this stuff posted up by JKR and lapped up by her followers isn't it.

And three guesses who will get a platform today on UK media with Julia Hartley-Brewer...

 

[AuroraSaab]

'A lesbian group', a new group for lesbians that excludes ... wait for it ... drumroll ... lesbians.

It excludes people born male who are attracted to women. They are only lesbians if you are redefining 'lesbian' to mean gender attracted not sex attracted. Regardless, they are entitled to start a group for lesbians only just like anyone could start a group to advocate only for transgender people. In fact, they have and nobody bats an eyelid.

 

[monkers]

It excludes people born male who are attracted to women. They are only lesbians if you are redefining 'lesbian' to mean gender attracted not sex attracted. Regardless, they are entitled to start a group for lesbians only just like anyone could start a group to advocate only for transgender people. In fact, they have and nobody bats an eyelid.

It's not a lesbian group - it's a hate group.

Not only is it not a lesbian group, it's not even a group for lesbians who happen to be feminists. Membership is not qualified by whom one sleeps with, it is qualified by a shared hatred.

Not only do these people want the right to look under doors in public loos hoping for the sight of a 'penis' to object to, but they want the right to pry into my bedroom to see whom I sleep with and what they have in their knickers. Sick farking perverts.

 

[icowden]

All of them human beings with human rights. All of us human beings with no right to deny human rights of others.

I'm not sure that is entirely true. For example, if you murder someone your human right to liberty may be taken away.
A biological definition does not take away your human rights. It is essential.

When your surgeon looks at your medical record they don't give a shoot if you dress as a woman and call yourself Barbie, What they care about is your genetics and the layout of your internal organs.

 

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hoping for the sight of a 'penis'.

You never disappoint Monkers.

 

[icowden]

You just totally devalued and discounted the women at your hero's rally who were there to protest her incitement to hatred with this:

You seem to have an issue with reading sometimes. @AuroraSaab has already told you that KJK is not her hero. Why continue with such obvious snide invective when you have been informed otherwise unless you wish to silence women. Are you the male chauvinist pig that comes across in this thread? On other topics you seem to be able to debate with thought and intelligence.

Women don't count unless they are saying what you want them to say, do they. They are invisible to you. Then you contradicted yourself. Feminist my arse.

That isn't what @AuroraSaab stated. What she stated was that there seemed to be a lot of men trying to silence women. As usual.

Oh...and there was your little tell, "seems"; always prefaces a lie.

Just because you disagree with something, it doesn't make it a lie. Again you try to patronise and silence people. There is a word for that,.