Gender again. Sorry!

[Ian H]

There are mountains to be climbed, but this really isn't one of them. In fact it's a bit like everesting on a molehill.

 

[AndyRM]

I think this is a pretty interesting approach from the DFB:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65085345

 

[mudsticks]

'Let them eat cake'. Money possibly, seeing as many women and girls didn't have independent funds in the 1850's. Not being allowed to travel on their own by their husbands or family. Lack of safety on public transport for women and girls travelling on their own without men.

Perhaps that's why they needed the single sex spaces that your plan shows.

The Irritating Gentleman, 1874, Bertholt Woltze.

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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/01/13/national/antigroping-campaign-trains-exams/

https://japantoday.com/category/crime/social-media-users-boast-of-plans-to-grope-schoolgirls-on-day-of-japan’s-most-important-test

I don't see no 'gentleman'

Pretty sure that's a neckbeard going on there.. 👀

There are mountains to be climbed, but this really isn't one of them. In fact it's a bit like everesting on a molehill.

Yes there are mountains to be climbed and yes a lot (but not all) of the time the transgender issue is used as a divisive issue, to distract.
Often to distract from the fact that we still don't have anything like true gender equity.

It shines a light on the fact that still so much needs to be done to change attitudes, and systems.

It's astonishing how much more attention this issue gets compared with say the need to tackle the broadscale vawag issue, or pay inequality, childcare provision, and so on .

Far bigger and meatier issues really.

Bring that up and it gets immediately distracted away from, the subject gets dropped.

People who will shout 'bigot' or 'terf' at anyone (particularly any woman) expressing even the slightest discomfort around transwomen being in womens spaces, women's refuges or prisons or whatever fall deafeningly silent, and say 'not my job' when asked to actively speak up, or do something (anything) about those attitudes and behaviours that make those 'safe spaces' necessary in the first place.

 

[icowden]

I think this is a pretty interesting approach from the DFB:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65085345

It is, but I think this line is telling:-

Jerke says when the rule was introduced, she was "relieved" but is disappointed it doesn't extend into the professional game.

It's a bit like letting anyone play for whichever team when it's just a local hobby club. It doesn't follow that once you are at elite level that it's still a good idea.

 

[monkers]

Sunak’s change to definition of sex is ‘pure transphobia’, former EHRC legal boss​

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...Kj05P9WBCTf111ECr1RF7lqg1M88oWHxy4q67vU7Sq7_k

 

[AuroraSaab]

The 'former legal boss' of the EHRC in that Independent article is also a former employee of Stonewall and a current trustee of Mermaids, so has a bit of a vested interest.

A former CEO of the EHRC disagrees with them, and thinks the clarification will be helpful:

 

[monkers]

The 'former legal boss' of the EHRC in that Independent article is also a former employee of Stonewall and a current trustee of Mermaids, so has a bit of a vested interest.

A former CEO of the EHRC disagrees with them, and thinks the clarification will be helpful:

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It should be no surprise that a previous incumbent with a background in diversity and inclusion was independently appointed, whereas the current boss is a government political appointment with a government set agenda. This just the same kind of stitch up as that appointment of the boss of the BBC.

 

[mudsticks]

Thought this was quite a powerful voice from the frontline.


View: https://youtu.be/xsbtaXqfg1o


Seems that (in this case) internalised homophobia and other childhood trauma had a part to play in their decision making.

 

[monkers]

A comprehensive debunk of the lies told by a bigot in the national press...

 

[AuroraSaab]

... a so-called 'debunking' by the Trans Legal Project, which is less a debunking and more a presentation of opinion as facts. It actually does exactly the same as they accuse the author of doing.

I won't bother disecting the whole thing but a couple of examples of this 'opinion as facts' would be:

Not 'for all purposes' - doesn't affect inheritanceof peerages, or being named as 'father' or 'mother' on your child's birth certificate, or sport.

There are exceptions. A law professor explains here:

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelpforan/status/1645462894807506945


Further explained by a law lecturer here:


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/Scott_Wortley/status/1646192928895672321

This is nonsense. We all know there's only 2 body types; one makes eggs, one makes sperm. 99.8% of every human ever born has been one or the other. No reputable biologist has ever said or proved otherwise. Pretending noone knows what we mean by 'sex' is just an attempt to overule material reality with the utterly nebulous and undefined idea of gender identity.

Simply not true. From 2015 Stonewall had a stated aim of removing the single sex exemptions of the Equality Act. Here it is from their own web site. If transwomen have always been legally allowed to use women's single sex spaces, why the need to campaign to remove them?

Also, 'Introduced elsewhere with no problems'? Apart from the much reported problems with men in women's prisons, transwomen in women's sports, concern over loss of single sex spaces and quite a few more things.

 

[AuroraSaab]

In other news, looks like there might be a shift on Labour policy on gender recognition. Tom Harwood isn't exactly a reliable journalist and obviously we'll have to see what the manifesto says, but this implies a move away from a commitment to reform and a more cautious position.

 

[multitool]

"Build a consensus" means pushing the can down the road and avoiding the issue until such time as both the right-wing have been pushed into retreat and the anti-trans cult have got bored and moved on to something else to obsess about.

 

[icowden]

"Build a consensus" means pushing the can down the road and avoiding the issue until such time as both the right-wing have been pushed into retreat and the anti-trans cult have got bored and moved on to something else to obsess about.

Also the pro-trans cult.
There are at least two cults neither of which really encompasses people who genuinely believe they are trans.

 

[multitool]

Also the pro-trans cult.
There are at least two cults neither of which really encompasses people who genuinely believe they are trans.

There is no pro-trans cult. There is a pro trans rights movement, but that is not the same thing as being pro-trans. It tends to be supported by people who are pro human rights for all.

 

[qigong chimp]

This is nonsense. We all know there's only 2 body types; one makes eggs, one makes sperm.

I didn't think women's bodies 'made' eggs.