Gender again. Sorry!

[multitool]

She's gotta get her kicks somehow, to be fair.

She says it's like running through a forest of cheeseplants.

Ductile and floppy fronds flapping against her face as she rushes through.

 

[monkers]

She says it's like running through a forest of cheeseplants.

Ductile and floppy fronds flapping against her face as she rushes through.

Say what?

 

[classic33]

The Equality Act allows the providers of services to exclude people for all sorts of reasons. It's been well publicised and clarified. Just because you and others on here don't accept that doesn't make it so.

I really don't give a toss what you think, Classic. Sorry to be rude about it.

They have a leader board and categories marked 'Men' and 'Women'. If it's not a race (albeit not a conventional race) why have a leader board and listing of times within categories? Why bother recording times if there isn't an element of competition and prestige in doing well involved? In fact, why bother organising it at all? You could just do the route on your own and time yourself.

You've made that clear already. Yet you expect me to be bothered about what you're posting. Ironic in't'it?

You can track/follow the various riders in the event, via the organisers site. The idea being that you can see where the various riders are, on an almost live basis.
You pay to enter it.

As for doing outside of the event, there's a fair few that do just that. Europe's longest single stage ride. With the Wild Atlantic Way now a popular cycle and walking route on the west coast of Ireland. Taking people away from the east coast.

 

[icowden]

So I think you are going to have to concede that transition in the UK, is not filling out a form - that's oft repeated trope. The people who say it are those captured by the mischaracterisations of trans lives, and the failed political system that underpins it.

Yep, I'll concede that. I do think that there are pushes to remove the safeguards however, and I am not sure that that is a good thing.

t is draconian. At the time of the 2004 Act (actually passed into law in 2003 - so some twenty years ago) the World Health Organisation were speaking of 'gender dysphoria' and had it listed as a mental disorder. Since then expert medical opinion is that gender dysphoria is not a mental disorder, and that wherever it comes from, it is not a diagnosable condition and not treatable as a mental disorder.

It is a diagnosable condition. It comes under F64 in the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD10) (still very much in use in the NHS) and has been updated in ICD11 (Code HA6x) so that it is now a subset of sexual health disorders rather than mental health disorders to reflect the way that is is treated and in response to lobbying for it to be removed from the "stigma" of being a mental health diagnosis. It is signposted within the Mental Health Dataset. It has also been simplified significantly, removing transsexualism and dual role transvestitism and changing gender dysphoria to incongruence,

The political situation is that although promises were made in 2004, there never has been sufficient resource to implement that promise made in law. The queues grow longer and longer, some go private, some give up and somehow survive, some move abroad, some take their own lives. Now there are some people who call these 'lifestyle choices', but they are not. Transition is driven by desperation - the human instinct for survival, but when help doesn't arrive, we see increasing levels of that trauma impacting mental health, self-harm, and suicide, or attempts thereof.

You are portraying surgical intervention and hormone therapy as being essential. Yet this has only been available very very recently, which to me suggests that surgical intervention and hormone therapy may not be the magic wand that they are being out to be. In rare cases I suppose it might be the only solution, but I do think all avenues need to be explored as to why someone is so unhappy with themselves that they can only see surgical and medicinal intervention as the solution.

The next point is that, there have been two all party select committee reviews that have taken evidence and opinions from all interested parties, considered that evidence in a respectful way, and both times, it led to recommendations. In the case of the last committee they proposed to the then government that a change to some system of self-Id is needed. The government accepted the findings and stated that they would be implemented. And now since a change of party leader, the promise is undone. It is difficult to justify this as a democratic action, because it isn't. The country have not elected Sunak, or any members of his cabinet to those positions. So again we have a draconian system in place due to autocratic decision made at cabinet level against a backdrop of a government clinging to Johnson's manifesto despite that manifesto not including the actions they are taking.

The country never elects the Prime Minister or Cabinet. They choose the MPs that they want to represent them. Thus we have the current shitshow. But they *were* chosen by us.

What gender critical people have is a wish list, with trans lives eradication central to their desire.

I don't think that is true at all.

 

[classic33]

The lesson is actually that if you are a massive misogynist creep you can manipulate the law or influence providers to your own advantage.

If only she'd kept her mouth shut they'd not have ended up losing what they did have.

 

[AuroraSaab]

You really are the most arrogant person on here lol. Walking around with your kit off in public is a public order offence if it causes distress. The famous naked rambler didn't intend any offence but has been going guilty numerous times regardless:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ews/naked-rambler-fined-once-more-1880819.amp

Funnily enough, your idea that the Human Rights Act trumps UK domestic law didn't fly with the judge:

"Tom Stevens, defending, said that his client believed his nudity was allowed under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act which protects freedom of expression".

 

[icowden]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/world/canada/girl-athlete-trans-gender.html
A price worth paying? Couldn't or wouldn't happen here?

I think it's a bit of nonsense actually. If you read the article and what the accused man says, it's very clear that he knows who the girl in question is and that she has two mothers. This is just two bigoted redneck Americans using trans as a weapon in their standard US homophobia. It's not about trans issues at all.

 

[classic33]

I think it's a bit of nonsense actually. If you read the article and what the accused man says, it's very clear that he knows who the girl in question is and that she has two mothers. This is just two bigoted redneck Americans using trans as a weapon in their standard US homophobia. It's not about trans issues at all.

Thought it happened in Canada?

 

[icowden]

Literally every item is anti-trans.
Do your due diligence, you mug.

Pot and kettle?

I actually agree with you that you have to be a little careful of Reduxx which has the lofty aim of being a pro-woman, pro-child safeguarding platform. I also agree with you that the vast majority of items are anti-trans.

However, it *is* run by a team of 8 women.

So, either:-

a) The team of 8 women are just making every single story up and nothing is factual
b) Not every story is factual, but some are

If you concede that some of the things reported have happened, isn't that still a problem?

 

[icowden]

We'd a "woman only morning" at the local baths, every Thursday. Then one of those who attended on a regular basis, mentioned there was no similar "men only morning" which meant they were breaking the law. Shortly after the "women only morning" was cancelled. Lesson there, don't point out the obvious, thinking how clever you've been and expect to get away scot free.

Surely the lesson is to learn about the law? A women only morning doesn't break the law if there isn't a men's one. It only becomes problematic if the local baths prohibit having a men only morning whilst permitting a woman only morning.

 

[icowden]

Thought it happened in Canada?

Apologies - bigoted Canadian redneck.

 

[icowden]

She says it's like running through a forest of cheeseplants.
Ductile and floppy fronds flapping against her face as she rushes through.

Have you been reading Nadine Dorries again?

 

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Apologies - bigoted Canadian redneck.

That's not a nice thing to call @classic33

 

[multitool]

Pot and kettle?

I actually agree with you that you have to be a little careful of Reduxx which has the lofty aim of being a pro-woman, pro-child safeguarding platform. I also agree with you that the vast majority of items are anti-trans.

However, it *is* run by a team of 8 women.

So, either:-

a) The team of 8 women are just making every single story up and nothing is factual
b) Not every story is factual, but some are

If you concede that some of the things reported have happened, isn't that still a problem?

It is not a credible source of information. I'm amazed you even think there is anything to discuss here. This is basic media literacy.

It is entirely unaccountable. There is no way of verifying any of its output. It is completely uncorroborated, and to be frank, given the singular nature of its output and its stated intentions I somehow doubt journalistic integrity is high up on its agenda.

What are we going to start believing next? Antivaxx sites? The mere fact that Aurora posts up this stuff is symbolic of how far down the rabbit hole she has gone.

Here you go, icow, have a read of this:

https://thelightpaper.co.uk/

Some of it must be true, right?

 

[multitool]

Done a bit more digging on Reduxx.

It's a transphobic conspiracy site.

And this is what credulous fools like Aurora thinks is 'news'.

You couldn't make it up.

As I said several times, if it wasn't transphobia it would be antivaxx. If it wasn't antivaxx it would be 5g. There is a fundamental psychological flaw in Aurora and potentially icow that make them easy prey for this tripe. The journey starts with a raised eyebrow and ends with unquestioning belief. Icow, pull yourself together. No hope for Aurora though. Totally lost to it.