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multitool

Pharaoh
Agreed. That begs the question whether the same result would have occurred if you look back of the past five or ten years of data and see whether the criteria chosen is valid or not in creating some kind of parity....



Well, it's certainly true that if the awards hadn't been de-gendered then female artists would have some awards, and possibly in equal number to the men.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
I see the Govt has gone for the nuclear option and plans to oppose the Scottish GRC reforms. Listened to some spurious excuse-making on R4 this morning about hypothetical conflicts arising if a Scottish GRC equipped trans gender person crossed the border into England.

Clearly nothing at all to do with the Govts own ongoing political crisis and invoking the culture war to try and skewer Starmer. All the usual ghouls will be egging it on doubtless.
 

Xipe Totec

Something nasty in the woodshed
I see the Govt has gone for the nuclear option and plans to oppose the Scottish GRC reforms. Listened to some spurious excuse-making on R4 this morning about hypothetical conflicts arising if a Scottish GRC equipped trans gender person crossed the border into England.

Clearly nothing at all to do with the Govts own ongoing political crisis and invoking the culture war to try and skewer Starmer. All the usual ghouls will be egging it on doubtless.

It's a major step in the ongoing process of dismantling devolution, discrediting and disempowering the Scottish Government. They will have predicted a response and will have a strategy in place to keep the grubby separatists in their place.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
I'm curious to watch the legal arguments unfold around the conflicts between the Scottish GRC law and English law. The govt side are saying it threatens the Equality Act.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
It's a major step in the ongoing process of dismantling devolution, discrediting and disempowering the Scottish Government. They will have predicted a response and will have a strategy in place to keep the grubby separatists in their place.

Thing is the Gender Reform Recognition Act was passed by 2/3rds of MSPs from across all parties in the Scottish parliament, including two Tory front benchers.

So attempting to hijack it will enrage both the nationalists AND devolutionists.
 
Thing is the Gender Reform Recognition Act was passed by 2/3rds of MSPs from across all parties in the Scottish parliament, including two Tory front benchers.

So attempting to hijack it will enrage both the nationalists AND devolutionists.

Apart from the Tories they were all whipped to vote for it. It wasn't on the manifesto or election leaflets. It doesn't have the public's support. Many people from all sides will be happy to see it pushed back by Westminster.
 
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Xipe Totec

Something nasty in the woodshed
Thing is the Gender Reform Recognition Act was passed by 2/3rds of MSPs from across all parties in the Scottish parliament, including two Tory front benchers.

So attempting to hijack it will enrage both the nationalists AND devolutionists.

The Westminster Conservative And Unionist Party government has absolutely no interest in placating nationalists or devolutionists. They want this outraged response - that's the point.
 

Beebo

Veteran
Is the argument just whether you can transition at 16 rather than 18?

Surely there doesn’t need to be a standoff over that. The sensible thing to do is move it to 18 and avoid the argument. Or are the SNP deliberately seeking an argument which the Tory’s will gladly provide them with.
 
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Xipe Totec

Something nasty in the woodshed
Is the argument just whether you can transition at 16 rather than 18?

Surely there doesn’t need to be a standoff over that. The sensible thing to do is move it to 18 and avoid the argument. Or are the SNP deliberately seeking an argument which the Tory’s will gladly provide them with.

What a lot of people don't appear to understand is that this bill has taken six years to get to this point. It has cross-party support of two thirds of all MSPs, including two Conservatives. It is not an SNP bill - in fact if the SNP had abstained it still would have passed.

The way it is being portrayed by the mainstream media and Westminster government (and opposition) is an attack on Holyrood and an extension of the Right's beloved Culture War, and very little else.

In Scotland the Age Of Legal Capacity (the age at which a person is capable of legal & personal responsibility) is 16, which is why the GRRB incorporates that age. As this is a devolved matter (however meaningless that concept has suddenly become), to leave the age at 18 would be incompatible with Scots law.
 
Interesting post from Rape Crisis Scotland.

https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org....sations-on-the-uk-governments-intervention-o/

Absolute excoriation of Terfy claims that the Gender Recognition Bill threatens women's spaces. AS take note.

Still. It's only Rape Crisis. What would they know.

Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre has as it's head a transwoman, Mridhul Wadhwa. They don't have a Gender Recognition certificate and were appointed to a post advertised for a woman only. They are a former SNP candidate and was at one point on an all woman SNP shortlist.

Wadhwa used the word 'bigoted' about victims who didn't want to share Edinburgh rape crisis centre facilities (like accomodation or counselling groups) with men who identify as women. They told women they should 'reframe their trauma' and expect to be 'educated on their prejudices' if they came there and wanted single sex rape crisis services.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/poli...-educate-bigoted-rape-survivors-trans-rights/

There is no exclusively female provision for rape victims. It is a condition of Scottish government funding that they accept men who identify as women - despite the fact that there are trans-only services in place.

This is why J.K. Rowling has opened a privately funded service in Edinburgh.

Some women who have been raped are so traumatised they unable to even let a loved one touch them. They can't bear for a loving husband or male partner to hold their hand. They can't bear to let their dad give them a hug.

The head of Edinburgh Rape Crisis centre thinks such women and girls should be prepared to sit next to a male in a counselling session or have a transwoman counsellor, or share refuge accommodation with a male.

So I'd say Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre know absolutely f*ck all about women's trauma. And their head was a political appointment who knows f*ck all about women because he's a man.

Do you honestly think a girl or woman shouldn't have access to single sex services after a rape or sexual assault if they wish? Do you seriously think they should be called bigots for not wanting to talk to a transwoman counsellor about their sexual assault?
 

Mr Celine

Well-Known Member
Well that's Embra Rape Crisis Centre telt.

We await the low down on the other 16. Plus all the other Scottish civil society co-signatories.
 
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