Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

Lol. You guys are great.

Covid - follow the science.
Climate concerns - follow the science.
Binary sex - follow the sci... oh, wait... nah, science is bullsh't.

 

[winjim]

It's your opinion.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/

That article is a guest blog by a transgender scientist. It's also an opinion piece. It's not a peer reviewed piece of scientific research. Anyone who could prove sex in humans is not binary would get a Nobel prize.

The fact that nature doesn't work perfectly 100% of the time isn't evidence that sex is a spectrum. Humans are a two legged species despite the fact that people are very occasionally born with only one leg. We all know it comes down to the fact that every person alive, dead, and as yet unborn, will have a male and female parent because those are the only options.

It's debunked at length here:

View: https://twitter.com/wet_hen/status/1213130009814036485

Not to say this thread has become tedious and circular but you guys literally had this exact same discussion about two weeks ago.

 

[classic33]

Looking at a similar issue, that I've lived with for over fifty years. Similar issues encountered in that time.

It marks me out as different. There's some that feel "my sort" shouldn't be allowed anywhere near them. There's often deliberate "quiet conversations" that are meant to be overheard. The reactions of some, deliberately avoiding coming anywhere near me. Being "asked" to get off public transport, because other passengers are uncomfortable at me being there. Being denied access to certain spaces, I'm a danger to others who might use the area. I've had parents remove their kids from the school, because of the danger to their kids, from me. And then the schools have been in touch with the parents, pointing out that they could actually be done for removing their kids. I always found out when they returned to school, they'd not come near me.

I have one neighbour who is of the opinion, often expressed quite vocally, that "my sort should be taken out, placed against a wall and shot". Remove the problem(s) like me, and their world will be safe again.

I've a disability, but this thread has many similar themes running through it. It's the fear of the unknown, it shows through every time this subject comes up. Attitudes haven't changed in over fifty years. The subject matter may have changed, but the fear is still there to see.

 

[theclaud]

It's fascinating to contrast the nature of debate in different spaces. The OP was a discussion of whether law could and should be degendered. It requires being able to hold several thoughts in the mind simultaneously. The political discussions in Scotland over self ID were centred on pragmatism.

And then we have this, in the public space:



It popped up on my twitter feed, so I watched it. I managed 5 minutes before I could bare no more, because its for boneheads. It is a brain-crushingly simplistic, fact-free, empathy-void of bumgravy.

Who actually watches this shite?

"I'm a happily married woman, heterosexual, mother of four."  Totally normal opener there for a 'women's rights activist'. It's important to be sure her husband is a Ramrod-Straight Bird Buffer, after all.

"The less privileged you are, the more power you have in the Oppression Olympics" - Totally normal thinking person's echo response to a massively divorced posh misogynist manchild describing the entirety of equality and justice struggles as 'Grievance Olympics'.

"Mortgage-hungry households" -  Completely normal way of talking about people on low incomes.

"They're Conservatives - I wish they would be conservative." -  Totally normal progressive perspective on social change.

"Women have a different path in the world - I think we all know that we do". Totally non-essentialist, gender-abolishing perspective, there...

"We have woman and man and they've served us well for a long time." -'Radical feminism' in 2023.

Yes, I'm afraid the answer to @multitool's question, "Who watches this shoot?" is that I did in the process of catching up on this thread.

The Stephen Yaxley Lennon of the Gender Wars.

 

[multitool]

And it's been noted...

https://www.lemkininstitute.com/sta...der-critical-movement’s-ideology-and-practice

 

[Unkraut]

And it's been noted...

https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement’s-ideology-and-practice

That piece is highly insulting to peoples who really have been subjected to genocide.

 

[multitool]

That piece is highly insulting to peoples who really have been subjected to genocide.

The clue is in the name of the publishing organisation.

Jeez 🙄

 

[theclaud]

Look, I started off with high ambitions for this thread. Now I'll just be happy if we can get everyone who hasn't allowed their brain to dribble out of their ears to acknowledge that 'Posie Parker' is not only a massive grifter but, ironically, an obvious drag artist. I thought the latest was that these people are not safe to be around our children?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (With apologies to Keith Oates.)

 

[Ian H]

That article is a guest blog by a transgender scientist. It's also an opinion piece. It's not a peer reviewed piece of scientific research. Anyone who could prove sex in humans is not binary would get a Nobel prize.

The fact that nature doesn't work perfectly 100% of the time isn't evidence that sex is a spectrum. Humans are a two legged species despite the fact that people are very occasionally born with only one leg. We all know it comes down to the fact that every person alive, dead, and as yet unborn, will have a male and female parent because those are the only options.

It's debunked at length here:

View: https://twitter.com/wet_hen/status/1213130009814036485

By 'debunked' you mean criticised on Twitter. That just means there's a debate going on.

 

[Ian H]

Not to say this thread has become tedious and circular but you guys literally had this exact same discussion about two weeks ago.

Apologies. Two weeks is a long time in social media, and my memory going a bit.

 

[fozy tornip]

It's important to be sure her husband is a Ramrod-Straight Bird Buffer, after all.

There's much about this thread I find confusing, but now I'm totally biffled:

Bird Buffer is a machine that converts liquid Fog Force, a harmless grape food flavoring, into tiny nano-particles which, when blown into the air at 90 mph, create an invisible haze that stays suspended in the air for about 6 hours.

 

[multitool]

Great! Thankyou! You've just inspired me to finish a troublesome paragraph in a soft-porn novel I'm writing:

"..and, emitting a sound like a rusty door hinge, he heaved his fog force up Hermione's clunge, leaving the room silent, breathless, with nothing remaining to remind them of their unexpected congress but a feint smell of Schloer"

 

[qigong chimp]

What, aerosolised and sprayed into the air at 90mph, would create a lingering invisible haze that would protect women only spaces from men masquerading as women?
'Trans Buffer' (patent applied for) will make us all rich.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I've a disability, but this thread has many similar themes running through it. It's the fear of the unknown, it shows through every time this subject comes up. Attitudes haven't changed in over fifty years. The subject matter may have changed, but the fear is still there to see.

I know we've spoken before about how difficult your life has been at times, and that you haven't always received the care and respect you should have. Even though we differ on this issue, I do appreciate that your thoughts on it come from a place of compassion based on your own experiences.

 

[AuroraSaab]

By 'debunked' you mean criticised on Twitter. That just means there's a debate going on.

If I could find an opinion piece on the earth being flat would that mean the shape of the earth was now being debated by science? I could certainly find a few scientists with unusual views on covid. There are no peer reviewed scientific papers that say sex isn't binary.