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Whatever your argument, you come across as a fat-headed prïck.
Your reply will likely consist of more giggling teens, which you have used before and which is another topic in of itself...
Gender again. Sorry!
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Whatever your argument, you come across as a fat-headed prïck.
Your reply will likely consist of more giggling teens, which you have used before and which is another topic in of itself...
classic33
Senior Member
If that is true, why did Vicki Bevan plead guilty, after her arrest, to the following 34 offences which included:
"• Rape
• Two counts of sexual assault
• Four counts of sexual assault by penetration
• One count of attempted sexual assault by penetration
• Inciting a child to engage in sexual activity
• Three counts of sexual activity with a child
• 17 counts of making indecent images of children
• Three counts of distributing indecent photographs of a child
• Two counts of possessing extreme pornography"
If she knew she couldn't be charged with rape, much less convicted of offence?
You'll notice that she pleaded guilty to two seperate offences,
Sexual assault by penetration.
Attempted sexual assault by penetration.
Three very seperate offences.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
It helps if you include a source, unless you intent to score some point and hope the other party isn't able to debunk your claims. But that isn't very transparent now is it?
From a article about this case
and the source https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/new...paedophile-discussed-eating-children-25328199
So she in fact wasn't charged with rape, she was jointly charged with rape.
classic33
Senior Member
Source, it'd help if you were to check earlier posts. And if you noticed the wording used, it was "she pleaded guilty". You cannot plead guilty to an offence for someone else.
She was found guilty of the rape she pleaded guilty to, not as jointly as you claim.
Tony Hutton, also convicted at the same time received a prison a sentence of four years.
"Before the sentencing, Judge Menary said any "blame sharing" claim by Bevan in her defence, that she was "led on" by the others, would not be accepted."
https://news.sky.com/story/vicki-be...-sexual-abuse-on-girl-including-rape-12611895
AuroraSaab
Squire
In UK law women can only be accomplices to rape. CPS website:
Women forcing men to have sex is covered by the offence of Causing sexual activity without consent. Has the same max tarrif of life imprisonment.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidan...fences-chapter-7-key-legislation-and-offences
Women forcing men to have sex is covered by the offence of Causing sexual activity without consent. Has the same max tarrif of life imprisonment.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidan...fences-chapter-7-key-legislation-and-offences
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icowden
Legendary Member
You probably won't believe this, but newspapers rarely publish the full charge, preferring smaller easier to understand statements. I can't find the full judgement or sentencing statement but I would guess that "rape" is an abbreviation for a slightly longer legal description of the offence.
AuroraSaab
Squire
Correct. Bevan was not charged with rape on her own. She was charged jointly with Rafferty because she facilitated the rape offence. https://www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/woman-jailed-life-rape-and-sexual-abuse-young-girl
There are very few women charged with either rape or Causing sexual activity without consent. Which isn't to say these offences aren't under reported, just as male rape is, but sexual offences generally are overwhelmingly committed by males. No amount of highlighting individual offenders changes that.
There are very few women charged with either rape or Causing sexual activity without consent. Which isn't to say these offences aren't under reported, just as male rape is, but sexual offences generally are overwhelmingly committed by males. No amount of highlighting individual offenders changes that.
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monkers
Legendary Member
Just a word on this last sentence. This is something that has been pointed out to you before. That is, trawling the internet in order to find the odd exceptional case from some part of the world does not make the case of a precedence. Neither is it reasonable to use this to generate a stereotype of one particular group or community. Please do kindly listen to your own words.
AuroraSaab
Squire
As discussed ad infinitum already, the group or community that overwhelmingly comit sex offences are those born male. There is no evidence that there are special subsets of men to whom this does not apply.
classic33
Senior Member
Women, in the UK, have a higher arrest rate(Pointed out earlier, dismissed by you as meaningless) than men. Men have a higher conviction rate than women. So you're starting with a smaller figure anyway for the conviction rate to be generated, percentage wise.
AuroraSaab
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monkers
Legendary Member
Neither is there any evidence that there is. Please do not mention the Swedish study again as the original author must believe by now that those who keep saying that it says what it doesn't must be morons.
AuroraSaab
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By offence:
Made as a separate post as it seems harder to add images on CC without messing up the formatting at the moment.
Made as a separate post as it seems harder to add images on CC without messing up the formatting at the moment.
monkers
Legendary Member
As a woman, and one who happens to be much more honest than you, I happen to know that while trend is true, that women are less likely to be arrested than men for reasons other than being less violent. Men are much less likely to report violence against them committed by women for one thing, and the police are much less likely to arrest women for violence.
In the case of street violence, the victims of violence by men is against other men, your figures do not reflect this. The figures from the Met police seem still to be the most detailed available. Please don't say again that we should ignore London, as if the gender difference for violence is somehow much different to other parts of the country, because that is obvious nonsense.
