Gender again. Sorry!

[AndyRM]

Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in the creativity thread. Either way, I liked it.

 

[Deleted member 159]

On a more serious note

The attempted acid throwing murderer has been helped by an accomplice


View: https://twitter.com/BritisherPaz49/status/1754477842862080488?t=ZXHqs766mZuHvK_DU-xt5w&s=19

 

[Deleted member 121]

On a more serious note

The attempted acid throwing murderer has been helped by an accomplice


View: https://twitter.com/BritisherPaz49/status/1754477842862080488?t=ZXHqs766mZuHvK_DU-xt5w&s=19

Seems like Paz needs to upgrade from using MS paint for his photo editing...

 

[multitool]

Reminiscent of anti-vaxxers in combat gear storming vaccination centres.

But, oh no...it's not a cult

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/trans-scotland-mridul-wadhwa-for-women-scotland/

 

[icowden]

But, oh no...it's not a cult

Well no. There is no religious aspect. It's a bit over the top but you do have to recognise that Mridul Wadhwa took a job in a rape crisis centre for women by stating that they were a woman and not mentioning that they were a transwomen.

Oddly, it's thought that some women and young girls seeking the services of a rape crisis centre might be put off by the idea of it being run by a transwoman who - to some at least - may have got the job under false pretences by not mentioning their biological sex.

The issue is not that the centre is being badly run, or not doing good work, but about concerns that the staff working there are not being properly screened as far as I can see.

I don't agree with the hate campaign nor the attempts to shut it down, but I can see that if Mridul truly cared about the centre, she might consider moving job to an area that is less controversial. She could also respond publicly to make her role clearer - it isn't clear for example whether she is patient facing or purely executive.

 

[Bromptonaut]

How long has Wadwha been living as a woman? The pictures of her are not of somebody of obviously masculine appearance.

 

[multitool]

Well no. There is no religious aspect

Cults do not need a religious aspect.

. It's a bit over the top but you do have to recognise that Mridul Wadhwa took a job in a rape crisis centre for women by stating that they were a woman and not mentioning that they were a transwomen.

Oddly, it's thought that some women and young girls seeking the services of a rape crisis centre might be put off by the idea of it being run by a transwoman who - to some at least - may have got the job under false pretences by not mentioning their biological sex.

Is there any evidence that any of the complainants were clients?

Or are they just the usual bunch of nutters.

 

[icowden]

How long has Wadwha been living as a woman? The pictures of her are not of somebody of obviously masculine appearance.

It isn't clear. Reading (trigger warning) Linehand's blog post on the issue, it isn't just about her being a transwoman.
Obviously the below is written by Linehan andmay be biased, but there is a great deal of factual information there, whether or not you subscribe to his view point.
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-crisis-for-edinburghs-rape-victims

The overarching issue as I read it seems to be that Wadwha is actively pursuing a trans friendly regime whereby the staff treating female victims of rape could be transwomen. Many people feel that this is inappropriate.

 

[icowden]

Cults do not need a religious aspect.

Traditionally they do.

Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who tightly controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant (outside the norms of society).[1] This term is also used for a new religious movement or other social group which is defined by its unusual religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs and rituals,[2] or its common interest in a particular person, object, or goal. This sense of the term is weakly defined – having divergent definitions both in popular culture and academia – and has also been an ongoing source of contention among scholars across several fields of study.

No beliefs are involved and no leader is present. Your reference appears to be the very latter weakly defined version of cult. So we can agree to differ on this one.

Is there any evidence that any of the complainants were clients?

There is some suggestion that a counsellor was constructively dismissed after a client requested to know the sex of her support worker and she told the client that the support worker was female but identified as non-binary. Wadwha also seems to have suggested that if women choose not to go to Edinburgh rape crisis centre because of its trans inclusive policy, then they are transphobic.

To be fair, a lot of the "evidence" seems to be from the falling out between R Adams - the counsellor and Wadwha, but then Wadwha seems to be far more interested in trans inclusion than in helping women.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Aside from the fact that Wadhwa is a male and did not apparently disclose this on their application, there are other concerns. They said rape victims should 'reframe their trauma' and be expected to be challenged on their 'unacceptable beliefs' if they insisted they wanted a guaranteed woman only male free space, eg. when having counselling or in a group session.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news...-educate-bigoted-rape-survivors-trans-rights/

This isn't a victim centred approach. It isn't trauma based counselling. It's using your position to further your own political beliefs at the expense of the girls and women who need a space that is guaranteed to be away from men in order to begin healing.

As to the article in Open Democracy. This is a blog piece. It's not journalism but a pro Wadhwa piece written by a Green Party member and activist - the Scottish Green's are full on for self ID - so hardly an unbiased author.

The article was written 18 months ago. Surely the police would have investigated these threats of violence? Where are the cautions issued or the prosecutions?

In the recent Employment Tribunal for Roz Adams against Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, a senior member of staff was asked about these alleged threats to ERCC. Here's the reply:

Confirmed by a solicitor who was present:

Linehan also makes the allegation of financial irregularities in the cutting of support for non transwomen inclusive refuges and the awarding of the contract instead to an organisation whose former head was listed as residing at the same address as Wadhwa, ie their partner.


https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/...mpaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter

In short, no man should be head of a rape crisis centre and unless Wadhwa publishes evidence of these explicit threats of violence I'm more inclined to believe they were just people expressing their displeasure at Wadhwa's appointment to a job they should not be in.

 

[multitool]

Traditionally they do.

Your quoted definition contains the word "also". ie the word cult is also used to describe religious groups

No beliefs are involved

Are you saying that there isn't a belief system amongst the GC cultists? You are clearly mistaken. They even have mantra and a shared lexicon

There is some suggestion that a counsellor was constructively dismissed after a client requested to know the sex of her support worker and she told the client that the support worker was female but identified as non-binary. Wadwha also seems to have suggested that if women choose not to go to Edinburgh rape crisis centre because of its trans inclusive policy, then they are transphobic.

To be fair, a lot of the "evidence" seems to be from the falling out between R Adams - the counsellor and Wadwha, but then Wadwha seems to be far more interested in trans inclusion than in helping women.

A lot of "seems" going on here. "Seems" is about a given individual's perception, rather than anything rooted in fact, so we'll take that as a firm no then.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Aside from the fact that Wadhwa is a male and did not apparently disclose this on their application

If she has fully transitioned and has a GRC why does she need to?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Oh and let's have a look at the rest of Multitool's article. In the second part the transwoman alleging that Scotland isn't safe for trans people is transactivist Beth Douglas - aka PickleBee - who posts stuff like this on social media:

 

[AuroraSaab]

If she has fully transitioned and has a GRC why does she need to?

Doesn't have a GRC. Such posts are still able to exclude men with GRC's, however they dress or whatever surgeries they have had, because they are men.

 

[icowden]

Are you saying that there isn't a belief system amongst the GC cultists? You are clearly mistaken. They even have mantra and a shared lexicon

So are we saying that there is a GC cult and a TransActivism cult?

A lot of "seems" going on here. "Seems" is about a given individual's perception, rather than anything rooted in fact, so we'll take that as a firm no then.

Seems was used as I haven't seen the particulars of the constructive dismissal claim. However, much of Glinner's blog can be substantiated, so it does look as though there are issues here. However it isn't as simple as the posited "GC Cult shuts down rape crisis centre".