Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

You've constantly tried on here to make it appear that women are as violent as men by your disingenuous use of data. Without success, because we all know the stats in every country that keeps records show men are responsible for most violent and sexual crime by a large margin.

Recording male violence and sex crimes in the female stats compromises the integrity of official data, misleads the public as to who is committing these crimes, and undermines attempts to analyse patterns of criminality.



View: https://twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1763134606696407040

 

[classic33]

You've constantly tried on here to make it appear that women are as violent as men by your disingenuous use of data. Without success, because we all know the stats in every country that keeps records show men are responsible for most violent and sexual crime by a large margin.

Recording male violence and sex crimes in the female stats compromises the integrity of official data, misleads the public as to who is committing these crimes, and undermines attempts to analyse patterns of criminality.



View: https://twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1763134606696407040

I think the "argument" is that in reality some women are just as violent and as dangerous as some men are.

A reality you seem unwilling to accept.

 

[monkers]

You've constantly tried on here to make it appear that women are as violent as men by your disingenuous use of data. Without success, because we all know the stats in every country that keeps records show men are responsible for most violent and sexual crime by a large margin.

Recording male violence and sex crimes in the female stats compromises the integrity of official data, misleads the public as to who is committing these crimes, and undermines attempts to analyse patterns of criminality.



View: https://twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1763134606696407040

What you seem to ignore throughout the thread, is that some women are given to violence. Women are not all pure, delicate, dainty creatures, and nor are they all passive.

Women's prisons are very much not safe spaces.

Comparing data for women with men is not so helpful. Society tends to smile on men less favourably in regard to crime.

It is important to note that women tend not to be arrested for assault as often as men - possibly because their assault occasions less harm -but assault is assault.

Also, if arrested, women are more likely to be released with a caution than be charged. If charged, the CPS is less likely to prosecute. Juries tend to find men guilty at higher rates than women. Judges are less likely to give custodial sentences, and when they do, they tend to be shorter.

There is evidence for all of this, but it takes a deep dive into data.

Overall men are more violent, but also much more likely to be victims, meaning that non-violent men need at least as much support as women.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I think the "argument" is that in reality some women are just as violent and as dangerous as some men are.

A reality you seem unwilling to accept.

I accept there are violent, murderous women. There just aren't very many of them, relatively anyway. You seem unwilling to accept that men comit most violent and sexual crimes and that this fact should have a bearing on things like single sex spaces. I genuinely have no idea why you think it should be ignored.

What you seem to ignore throughout the thread, is that some women are given to violence. Women are not all pure, delicate, dainty creatures, and nor are they all passive.

Here you go again, pretending women's proclivity for violence is just as bad as men's. This is all a ruse to try to undermine the fact that men are often a danger to women, and women and girls consequently feel uncomfortable with men in their spaces.

Women aren't all passive but they aren't committing 50k rapes a year either.

 

[icowden]

If this was written by a professor, he should eat his hat.

I'm not sure he wears one.

Gary Lawrence Francione (born May 1954) is an American academic in the fields of law and philosophy. He is Board of Governors Professor of Law and Katzenbach Scholar of Law and Philosophy at Rutgers University in New Jersey.[1] He is also a visiting professor of philosophy at the University of Lincoln (UK)[2] and honorary professor of philosophy at the University of East Anglia (UK).[3] He is the author of numerous books and articles on animal ethics.

 

[monkers]

You seem unwilling to accept that men comit most violent and sexual crimes and that this fact should have a bearing on things like single sex spaces. I genuinely have no idea why you think it should be ignored.

I'm not unwilling to say this. I've said it over and over. But let's not pretend that some women are violent, some commit sexual offences, and some kill. Women's prisons are not safe spaces!

 

[monkers]

I'm not sure he wears one.

He's already been made to eat it. Words of such folly from a professor? Deary me, he sounds nutty.

 

[monkers]

I accept there are violent, murderous women. There just aren't very many of them, relatively anyway. You seem unwilling to accept that men comit most violent and sexual crimes and that this fact should have a bearing on things like single sex spaces. I genuinely have no idea why you think it should be ignored.



Here you go again, pretending women's proclivity for violence is just as bad as men's. This is all a ruse to try to undermine the fact that men are often a danger to women, and women and girls consequently feel uncomfortable with men in their spaces.

Women aren't all passive but they aren't committing 50k rapes a year either.

Women commit a surprising number of sexual offences against minors. I look at the hearing outcomes of teachers who have faced tribunals. There is a pattern. Of the offences committed by men, there is nearly always police involvement. Of the offences committed by women, police involvement is rare. So you need to ask why that is.

 

[classic33]

I accept there are violent, murderous women. There just aren't very many of them, relatively anyway. You seem unwilling to accept that men comit most violent and sexual crimes and that this fact should have a bearing on things like single sex spaces. I genuinely have no idea why you think it should be ignored.
You're the only one advocating that it be ignored. Please show where I have said it should be ignored.

When I pointed out, to you, that Britain's youngest double murder was female, you responded with a "well done classic, you've just found another of the few women killers". Women who've been tried and found guilty of murder. To me they're no different than anyone else who takes a life, just because they could.

Here you go again, pretending women's proclivity for violence is just as bad as men's. This is all a ruse to try to undermine the fact that men are often a danger to women, and women and girls consequently feel uncomfortable with men in their spaces.

Women aren't all passive but they aren't committing 50k rapes a year either.

There you go again, claiming that all men are the problem, as far as you're concerned. Female schoolteachers giving "extra lessons" to pupils in their own houses aren't a danger to anyone.
They are a minority in the bigger picture, just like the cases you pick to demonize and claim that they're all like that.

As for rapes, Vicky Bevan. You'll never know half the story, because you still believe that she wasn't guilty. She "introduced" the men to the girl, not the other way round, as you keep on claiming.
Beverly Allitt, Lucy Letby, two women who took the lives of those who can truly be classed as innocent. Yet you dismissed their actions.

 

[AuroraSaab]

75% of UK school teachers are female. You'd expect that 75% of incidents of sexual assault of pupils or teachers found with child abuse images would be female. That doesn't seem to be the case

When you look at the teachers being banned from the classroom it's mostly men.

https://www.gov.uk/search/all?parent=&keywords=panel+outcome+misconduct&level_one_taxon=&manual=&organisations[]=teaching-regulation-agency&organisations[]=national-college-for-teaching-and-leadership&public_timestamp[from]=&public_timestamp[to]=&order=updated-newest

Here's the first page of the most recent bans from that government data:

1. Male. Inappropriate physical contact with a girl pupil.
2. Male. Caught with child abuse images.
3. Male. Police caution for extreme pornography.
4. Male. Assaulting 2 pupils by beating.
5. Male. Inappropriate messaging to a pupil.
6. Female. Inappropriate messaging to a pupil.
7. Male. Inappropriate relationship with a pupil.
8. Male. Court conviction for distributing indecent photo of a child and bestiality photos.
9. Male. Convicted in court of indecent assault of a child under 13.

I have excluded 2 other Male cases from the first dozen where no prohibition order was made and one Female case which was Not Proven.

So once again, I find you chucking stuff out there and expecting people to believe you without providing evidence. The actual facts are very different. It's mostly male teachers, despite them making up only 25% of UK staff.

Oh, and one reason sexual crimes by 'women' are going up is because ones done by men are going on the female stats. This arrest last week was reported as being the arrest of a woman in all the news reports. At least the Oxford Mail have put 'person'.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24117651.witney-person-charged-sex-offences-sent-crown-court/

 

[monkers]

75% of UK school teachers are female. You'd expect that 75% of incidents of sexual assault of pupils or teachers found with child abuse images would be female. That doesn't seem to be the case

When you look at the teachers being banned from the classroom it's mostly men.

https://www.gov.uk/search/all?parent=&keywords=panel+outcome+misconduct&level_one_taxon=&manual=&organisations[]=teaching-regulation-agency&organisations[]=national-college-for-teaching-and-leadership&public_timestamp[from]=&public_timestamp[to]=&order=updated-newest

Here's the first page of the most recent bans from that government data:

1. Male. Inappropriate physical contact with a girl pupil.
2. Male. Caught with child abuse images.
3. Male. Police caution for extreme pornography.
4. Male. Assaulting 2 pupils by beating.
5. Male. Inappropriate messaging to a pupil.
6. Female. Inappropriate messaging to a pupil.
7. Male. Inappropriate relationship with a pupil.
8. Male. Court conviction for distributing indecent photo of a child and bestiality photos.
9. Male. Convicted in court of indecent assault of a child under 13.

I have excluded 2 other Male cases from the first dozen where no prohibition order was made and one Female case which was Not Proven.

So once again, I find you chucking stuff out there and expecting people to believe you without providing evidence. The actual facts are very different. It's mostly male teachers, despite them making up only 25% of UK staff.

Oh, and one reason sexual crimes by 'women' are going up is because ones done by men are going on the female stats. This arrest last week was reported as being the arrest of a woman in all the news reports. At least the Oxford Mail have put 'person'.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24117651.witney-person-charged-sex-offences-sent-crown-court/

Are you blind and deaf?

I said a surprising number of women teachers attend tribunals for sexual assault of pupils. I didn't say more than men.

You haven't attempted to reply to my point, ''you have to question why that is''?

Otherwise 55% of female arrests are for violence.

I know this doesn't fit well with your narrative, that men are all violent, rapists, and killers.

Men are more likely to victims of violence, especially on the street. Men are safer at home.

Women are less likely to victims of violence on the street. Women are less safe at home.

Women's prisons are not safe spaces as the biggest proportion of their crimes is violence and not refusing to pay a 10p fine on an overdue library book.

 

[classic33]

Oh, and one reason sexual crimes by 'women' are going up is because ones done by men are going on the female stats. This arrest last week was reported as being the arrest of a woman in all the news reports. At least the Oxford Mail have put 'person'.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24117651.witney-person-charged-sex-offences-sent-crown-court/

They had used woman when the charge was made against her.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24110781.witney-woman-charged-connection-child-sex-offences/
As did Thames Valley Police when details of the arrest appeared on their website.
https://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/...d-in-connection-with-sexual-offences--witney/
Changing to person after they'd appeared in court.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24110781.witney-woman-charged-connection-child-sex-offences/

The three sites mentioned are the only ones shown listing the arrest.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Are you blind and deaf?

Starts with usual pathetic abuse.

I said a surprising number of women teachers attend tribunals for sexual assault of pupils. I didn't say more than men.

You made an assertion without evidence. Where is the evidence? Because the government's own hearings seem to say very differently.

Otherwise 55% of female arrests are for violence.

You've already admitted this stat is misleading.

It's also the most common offence that men are arrested for. Men are arrested for violence at 4 times the rate of women.

This is why accurate recording of crimes by men who pretend to be women is important.

I know this doesn't fit well with your narrative, that men are all violent, rapists, and killers.

I haven't said that at all. More lies. Men offend at a higher rate than women for violence and sex crimes. Trans identified men included.

Men are more likely to victims of violence, especially on the street. Men are safer at home.

Male violence is the problem then.

Women are less likely to victims of violence on the street. Women are less safe at home.

Perhaps that's because women don't go out alone as much because of the fear of male violence and because domestic violence from men is common. This doesn't help your claim that women comit high levels of violence.

Women's prisons are not safe spaces as the biggest proportion of their crimes is violence and not refusing to pay a 10p fine on an overdue library book.

The biggest proportion of prosecutions of UK women is for not paying TV license fines not for crimes of violence.

No, women's prisons aren't nice places. Neither are men's. That's the nature of prisons. They aren't full of women who have committed violent or sexual crimes though.

You are constantly making assertions that you can't follow up with evidence.

 

[AuroraSaab]

They had used woman when the charge was made against her.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24110781.witney-woman-charged-connection-child-sex-offences/
As did Thames Valley Police when details of the arrest appeared on their website.
https://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/...d-in-connection-with-sexual-offences--witney/
Changing to person after they'd appeared in court.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24110781.witney-woman-charged-connection-child-sex-offences/

The three sites mentioned are the only ones shown listing the arrest.

Yes, and they shouldn't because this is male violence and it should be reported and recorded as such.

 

[monkers]

Starts with usual pathetic abuse.

I didn't mean to insult. My apologies to people with visual and / or hearing difficulties. My father was blind, and I don't hear well.
So let's stick with stupid which in your case is apt.