Gender again. Sorry!
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Oh you mean 50% of the population, a woman
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Yes it does, it's policing by feelings.
multitool
Pharaoh
multitool
Pharaoh
No it doesn't. It depends on the criteria set by the lawmakers, you absolute buffoon.
From the Guardian:
"Adam Tomkins, a former Tory MSP and convener of Holyrood’s justice committee who was closely involved with the passage of the bill in 2021, said: “Asserting that sex is a biological fact or that it is not changed just by virtue of the gender by which someone chooses to identify is not and never can be a hate crime under this legislation.”
Tomkins and others have warned that social media postings and some reporting on the act has wrongly suggested that it is criminalising comments that are merely offensive to others."
You are a headless-chicken, Andy.
You read something on the Internet and immediately start running around screaming.
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multitool
Pharaoh
Going back to Rowling, she isn’t defending women’s rights with this. Calling a trans woman "a man" does nothing to help women’s rights.
What Rowling is defending (and by extension all those who support her) is the right to abuse trans people without consequence. She’s defending bullying and harassment. None of these things help women.
What Rowling is defending (and by extension all those who support her) is the right to abuse trans people without consequence. She’s defending bullying and harassment. None of these things help women.
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Well. she has either breach the feelings law or she hasn't?
She has publicly stated 'arrest me'
The public opinion is backing her. The scottish police have either to step up or slither away knowing the law is an utter bag of sh!te
Bromptonaut
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I think that's the conviction rate for those charged with the offence.
The number of cases that fail to be charged, for whatever reason, mean the conviction rate per allegation is much, much lower.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
You missed the opportunity for a good Slytherin pun there.
multitool
Pharaoh
You haven't understood that Rowling is misconstruing the law. She may as well have posted "I've just eaten a banana. Arrest me".
It is really just another moral panic. This time about the law, but within the wider context of the moral panic about a tiny number of trans women.
You can call them men all you want. It's legal. It's a bit of a weird hill to die on, though, but some people are weird.
AuroraSaab
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The criteria for it being recorded as a hate incident, with a note against someone's name, is the perception of the person reporting it. There is no objective list of criteria as far as I can see. Please give a link to this criteria.
Saying that sex is binary would not be a hate crime because no individual has been offended. Saying 'X is a man' in Scotland might be a hate crime because X might take offence at this description.
This is perception based recording of crime, which relies on officers making decisions as to what is reasonable or not based on how someone feels about what was said.
Fab Foodie
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Not exactly the best yardstick....
AuroraSaab
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Yes, it is. Much higher in England and Wales than Scotland. Possibly several reasons for this. Point is it's not like the Scottish legal system hasn't got a lot of catching up to do already without introducing vague and woolly hate crimes to look into.
Also yes.
icowden
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It might be a better yardstick than you think. When Hogwarts Legacy (game) was released, Games Reviewing organisations fell over themselves to not review the game or write polemics about how they were distancing the game from JK Rowling etc etc. They were in a terror of being cancelled by the pro-trans lobby.
The game was the best selling game of 2023 and is in the top 50 best selling games of all time selling around 24 million units so far, of which just under 1.5 million were in the UK. If any indication were needed that people just don't care about what JK Rowling says to defend women, it's that. I suspect Netflix will be similarly trying to tiptoe around the topic when their new Harry Potter series begins - although to their credit they have previously ignored the "censorship" lobby over Dave Chappelle etc.
It's just possible that Rowling isn't the voice of a tiny minority...
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SNP have form creating shite laws. They brought out specific law for sectarian insults at football matches. That was binned as unworkable.
Imagine the police trying to issue citations at Rangers V Celtic matches now for feeling offended
Imagine the police trying to issue citations at Rangers V Celtic matches now for feeling offended
