Gender again. Sorry!

[Deleted member 159]

See pussy footing around this snowflake trans bunch. Look what it got you


View: https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1775079060596482261?t=SN5r0eOMHIdJsQnNNdIBsg&s=19

 

[classic33]

It can't be done anonymously for one thing in England and Wales. Thus if it is found to be malicious, or part of a campaign of harassment, the person could be prosecuted for wasting police time. They would likely just be warned off, but even that isn't possible if your report is anonymous. How can malicious reporting be prevented in Scotland when reports can be anonymous and whether it's a hate crime depends on the person's own perception?

You absolutely sure about that?
If you are, the very basis of Crimestoppers is wrong.
https://crimestoppers-uk.org/give-information/forms/give-information-anonymously

No need to give any details, since it started.

As was Crime Watch and its current incarnation Crimewatch Live.

Edited to add that most UK police websites have a chat facility, where you can report crimes, suspicions and more without leaving details. Even when dialling 101 you don't have to give any details.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Crimestoppers is a charity. It's for reporting things like cannabis farms, shops that sell alcohol to kids, or money laundering enterprises. Ditto the police chat function. It is not for those who want to anonymously report that they have been a victim of crime.

The Helen Joyce Tweet is quoting an article from Ash Reagan in The Times (as below), who initially supported the bill. As I keep saying, all this should have been sorted out in the draft stages or at least clarified but the Scottish government chose not to.

 

[classic33]

Crimestoppers is a charity. It's for reporting things like cannabis farms, shops that sell alcohol to kids, or money laundering enterprises. Ditto the police chat function. It is not for those who want to anonymously report that they have been a victim of crime.

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What's to stop anyone passing another persons details on, in total anonymity?
As pointed out previously.

An appeal for information and the chance to get even presents itself.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

View: https://youtu.be/28eApJT8hDE?si=J0L9Yhe5OgFYmY2j

 

[Deleted member 159]

Police Scotland are refusing to say whether they have recorded a NCHI against JKR. The press are asking questions, silence

 

[Deleted member 159]

View: https://youtu.be/28eApJT8hDE?si=J0L9Yhe5OgFYmY2j

Very funny, by highlights the absolute frightening Orwellian scenarios which could play out if this law isn't repealed

 

[multitool]

Very funny, by highlights the absolute frightening Orwellian scenarios which could play out if this law isn't repealed

AndyCXR, here, clutching his petticoat again.

 

[AndyRM]

AndyCXR, here, clutching his petticoat again.

Seriously. He's gone from laughing, to worrying about the breakdown of Scottish society via faux concern for his fiction of proper policing to full blown Orwellian fear.

I hope he's OK, the poor wee lamb.

 

[Cirrus]

It won't collapse but as the Scottish government have committed to investigating every reported hate crime it's going to require a lot of police hours. Eventually of course the SG will have to do what they should have done at the drafting stage and provide a list of what specifically counts as a hate crime and what 'reasonable' means in terms of prosecuting.

While we wait for this to happen there are going to be people saying stuff they wouldn't have felt the need to say last week, and people making reports about others just because they personally find what they have said to be unpleasant. How this helps anybody is a mystery.

Just watching the BBC news, over 3,000 reports made to the police so far.

Edited to add a link https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-68721208

Community Safety Minister Siobhian Brown said people were making "fake and vexatious complaints".

 

[AndyRM]

Just watching the BBC news, over 3,000 reports made to the police so far.

Over 3,000, being dealt with by a team who are busy but coping. Also according to the BBC a large number were about a speech Humza Yousaf gave 4 years ago which would suggest that the "snowflakes" are, as usual, not the ones who get stereotyped as such.

The "new" law doesn't apply retrospectively anyway, so they're just wasting everyone's time. Pathetic really.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I agree it's a waste of resources but it's been made necessary in order to establish in detail what the law means as the government declined to do this before implementing it.

In a few months time we'll have a list of what isn't a hate crime and possibly some prospective prosecutions to give clarity.

I can't find any examples of what would be a hate crime today that wasn't already a crime last week. If nothing has changed what's the point of a new law?

Edit: Also, you can't really officially say these reports are vexatious when the definition of hate crime depends on the perception of the reporter. And many of them will be anonymous so you can't discern the intent anyway. Personally I'd guess that many are less vexatious, and more taking the p*ss to make a point.

 

[classic33]

I agree it's a waste of resources but it's been made necessary in order to establish in detail what the law means as the government declined to do this before implementing it.

In a few months time we'll have a list of what isn't a hate crime and possibly some prospective prosecutions to give clarity.

I can't find any examples of what would be a hate crime today that wasn't already a crime last week. If nothing has changed what's the point of a new law?

Edit: Also, you can't really officially say these reports are vexatious when the definition of hate crime depends on the perception of the reporter. And many of them will be anonymous so you can't discern the intent anyway. Personally I'd guess that many are less vexatious, and more taking the p*ss to make a point.

How have the English police managed with the same law these last thirty plus years?

The English law never applied to Scotland, so Scotland has been brought into line with the rest of the UK. Nothing else.

 

[matticus]

Police Scotland are refusing to say whether they have recorded a NCHI against JKR. The press are asking questions, silence

Eh?


On Tuesday afternoon, Police Scotland confirmed they had received complaints about the social media post but added: “The comments are not assessed to be criminal and no further action will be taken.”

 

[matticus]

The BBC appeared to accuse Rowling of Hate Crime in an earlier headline ... but then stated they were "not criminal"

"JK Rowling hate crime tweets not criminal - police https://t.co/gMy34ytoxc "