Gender again. Sorry!

[multitool]

I think you've just plumbed depths of stupidity I thought were impossible, even for you Andy.

 

[Deleted member 159]

A 15yr study in the Netherlands concludes most gender confused children grow of it by the age of 25.

Leave kids alone and they will find their way.

Far far, far better then pumping them full of drugs and chopping bits off.

 

[AndyRM]

Any chance of a source? There's been a couple I believe. One of which didn't seem to reach that conclusion but I can't be bothered looking at something completely different.

 

[Deleted member 159]

CBA

 

[AndyRM]

Oh well, never mind then. I was actually interested to see it, but I should have figured that'd be your response.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Oh well, never mind then. I was actually interested to see it, but I should have figured that'd be your response.

It's this one. Sample size was 2772 participants, the follow up period was in stages from age 10 to age 26.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-024-02817-5

The majority of those who wanted to be the opposite sex in adolescence, no longer wanted to by early adulthood. 21% of all participants showed unhappiness with their sex in early adolescence; after adolescence only 2% of all participants continued to be unhappy with their sex.

The research results identified 3 cohorts from the study. First group of 78% displayed no 'gender non contentedness' throughout the study (from ages 10 to 26), the second group of 19% group reported gender non-contentedness in early adolescence, but not any longer in adulthood, and a third small group (2% of the sample) showed the opposite pattern of increasingly reporting gender non-contentedness with age.

"In addition, individuals with increasing or decreasing gender non-contentedness trajectories had lower global self-worth, more behavioral and emotional problems, and more often had a homosexual or bisexual orientation compared to individuals without gender non-contentedness..."

This is in keeping with data from the Tavistock. Most children referred to the gender clinics have a host of other stuff going on, especially autism, and many are same sex attracted.

This research suggests that if these children are not put on a medical or surgical pathway, feelings about their sex resolve. Perhaps it's partly because they come to terms with being gay - which fits in with the concerns of Tavistock staff who worried that they were transing gay kids.

In short, it's nuts to refer kids to gender clinics for an issue that will resolve in almost all if them if you let them mature.

 

[AuroraSaab]

More transgender people in Hong Kong can now apply to change the gender marker on their ID card,
Previously, the authorities would only accept applications for such ID card changes from people who had undergone full sex reassignment surgery.

If you're going to allow people to change markers on passports etc I don't think there should be any surgery required at all. Such a requirement pushes people into having complex, irreversible surgeries that might otherwise not have proceeded, and quite honestly we shouldn't be encouraging people to go to such extreme lengths.

People will probably say 'Even China are more progressive than the UK now..'. I sense that this is still rather more akin to the Iran approach where they'd rather have 'straight' transwomen than gay men.

 

[AndyRM]

It's this one. Sample size was 2772 participants, the follow up period was in stages from age 10 to age 26.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-024-02817-5

The majority of those who wanted to be the opposite sex in adolescence, no longer wanted to by early adulthood. 21% of all participants showed unhappiness with their sex in early adolescence; after adolescence only 2% of all participants continued to be unhappy with their sex.

The research results identified 3 cohorts from the study. First group of 78% displayed no 'gender non contentedness' throughout the study (from ages 10 to 26), the second group of 19% group reported gender non-contentedness in early adolescence, but not any longer in adulthood, and a third small group (2% of the sample) showed the opposite pattern of increasingly reporting gender non-contentedness with age.

"In addition, individuals with increasing or decreasing gender non-contentedness trajectories had lower global self-worth, more behavioral and emotional problems, and more often had a homosexual or bisexual orientation compared to individuals without gender non-contentedness..."

This is in keeping with data from the Tavistock. Most children referred to the gender clinics have a host of other stuff going on, especially autism, and many are same sex attracted.

This research suggests that if these children are not put on a medical or surgical pathway, feelings about their sex resolve. Perhaps it's partly because they come to terms with being gay - which fits in with the concerns of Tavistock staff who worried that they were transing gay kids.

In short, it's nuts to refer kids to gender clinics for an issue that will resolve in almost all if them if you let them mature.

Ta, I'll read it properly later.

 

[AndyRM]

Righto, read it. And fair enough, those are the conclusions reached.

However, I wonder how much of that is down to social conditioning (or whatever you want to call it). As a child, all you see are limitless possibilities about everything. It's idealistic nonsense I know, but hammering people into conformity is why people are like "Oh, I'm gay, that must be it".

I could ramble on about presentation stereotypes in the gay community and how it's possible they represent repressed feelings of dysphoria or "otherness" but I don't think there'd be much point.

 

[Deleted member 159]

Clergyman cleared of transphobic comments about another member of the profession.

The complaints procedure weaponised with multiple attempts to get him sacked

https://christianconcern.com/ccpres...h-of-england-as-case-against-vicar-dismissed/

 

[Deleted member 159]

However, I wonder how much of that is down to social conditioning (or whatever you want to call it). As a child, all you see are limitless possibilities about everything.

Responsible parenting, constant guidance, to encourage, but also keep the extremes of social media in check by explaining the norms of life. What's real and what's is fantasy

 

[multitool]

Responsible parenting, constant guidance, to encourage, but also keep the extremes of social media in check by explaining the norms of life. What's real and what's is fantasy

Ah yes. Lest we forget. Trans people did not exist until the dawn of social media

 

[classic33]

Should we ban women from teaching boys in schools?
I ask because just prior to covid a teacher was charged with sex with minors. She was giving them extra one to one lessons, in the bedroom of her own house. One of the parents complained about her son being kept, repeatedly, after school, only for the school to deny it.

It fell away as a news story when covid broke, and lockdown started in this country.

She's been banned for life from teaching.

 

[AndyRM]

Responsible parenting, constant guidance, to encourage, but also keep the extremes of social media in check by explaining the norms of life. What's real and what's is fantasy

The irony of ending that particular piece of wisdom with butchered Queen lyrics is delicious, particularly after your knicker-wetting about Orwellian horrors.

 

[multitool]

Culture warriors like AndyCXR are scared of their own shadow.