Rusty Nails
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Because that was more accurate and less biased?
Gender again. Sorry!
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Because that was more accurate and less biased?
AuroraSaab
Squire
Not sure, really. If you read it as the Tweets themselves being hate crimes, then it was a biased headline. If you read it as being Tweets about hate crime, then it's not. The new one's certainly a less ambiguous headline. Kind of appropriate really considering the topic; it's down to the perception of the reader whether it's offensive.
Cirrus
Active Member
I tend to disagree on this, if it’s been investigated and there is no case to answer then the police should delete the information, same with any DNA 🧬 information that they routinely collect.
I don’t think Information should be kept “just in case”.
AuroraSaab
Squire
View: https://twitter.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1775555367734227157
Not only were her Tweets not a hate crime, Scottish police will also not be recording a non crime hate incident against JK Rowling's name. So now we've established what isn't a hate crime in Scotland, nor a NCHI, we just need to find out what is ...
I more or less agree but there have been a few cases where recording of previous behaviours might have prevented tragedies. The earlier link gave an example of 'a “grey area” – citing the case of Fiona Pilkington, who killed herself and her severely disabled daughter, Francesca, after police failed to take action on 10 years of harassment by local youths'. Recording of incidents might have helped there, though you could argue it was an initial failing of the police to apply the law (eg on harassment) as it stood.
I do think recording non crime hate incidents against people's name should be very rare and they should always be informed. If it's been found there is no case to answer, the incident could be recorded but the name deleted of the accused. This is how the advice has moved in England and Wales. The Scottish law seems a step back.
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Facts over fantasy is not a crime of hate 
classic33
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No where in that piece you linked to does it state harassment. He's talking about hate crime throughout that interview. And the fact that "police treated each instance in isolation", in the case of Fiona Pilkingtson her daughter Francecca and her son.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission’s report criticised Leicestershire police for failing to protect the family of Fiona Pilkington from years of harassment, and for failing to recognise it as disability hate crime.
AuroraSaab
Squire
It was this link posted earlier that I was talking about.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/weve-was...its-out-at-non-crime-hate-incident-reporting/
Yes, this is one of the cases where it might have been appropriate to record non crime incident information. Which is what I said earlier. Record it for important incidents, not for online spats or anonymous minor complaints.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/weve-was...its-out-at-non-crime-hate-incident-reporting/
Yes, this is one of the cases where it might have been appropriate to record non crime incident information. Which is what I said earlier. Record it for important incidents, not for online spats or anonymous minor complaints.
classic33
Me
I know which one you meant, if you mean the earlier link.
Which isn't how Leicestershire police treated the 33 complaints by Fiona Pilkington and her family.
Each incident reported and dealt with as seperate minor issues.
It only became serious afterwards
cookiemonster
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From Hong Kong.
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1747369-20240403.htm
More transgender people in Hong Kong can now apply to change the gender marker on their ID card, as the government abandons an eligibility requirement that the city’s top court ruled was unconstitutional.
Previously, the authorities would only accept applications for such ID card changes from people who had undergone full sex reassignment surgery.
Applications will now also be accepted from transgender men who have had surgery to remove their breasts, and transgender women who have had their penis and testes removed.
Such applicants must also prove that they have or have had gender dysphoria, have lived in the opposite sex for at least two years and will continue to do so, and have had hormonal treatment for at least two years and will continue to do so.
Blood tests may be required to prove the applicants are undergoing hormonal treatment.
In a landmark ruling in February 2023, the Court of Final Appeal said the authorities had breached the rights of two transgender men, Henry Edward Tse and Q, by refusing to change the gender marker on their ID cards because they had not undergone full sex reassignment surgery.
A government spokesperson said in a statement that the policy was reviewed in light of the judgment, and the administration is making the adjustment after "having prudently considered the objective of the policy, relevant legal and medical advice, as well as drawing reference from the relevant practices overseas".
Tse told RTHK that the new policy will make it much easier for transgender men to apply for ID card changes.
"For trans men, the new requirement with regard to surgery would be a lot less stringent. So before, it would require hugely invasive lower surgery that includes complete sterilisation, removal of uterus and the ovaries, and also some kind of penile construction surgery. Now the requirement surgically only requires top surgery," he said.
But Tse, who's an activist with Transgender Equality Hong Kong, said there is still a lot Hong Kong can do to be more trans inclusive.
"I still have ongoing concerns regarding the new criteria. Especially with the ongoing hormone test, the immediate update if you change your phone number or address. And not to mention that there's still a sterilisation requirement for trans women. So this is not the end of the legal journey," he said.
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1747369-20240403.htm
More transgender people in Hong Kong can now apply to change the gender marker on their ID card, as the government abandons an eligibility requirement that the city’s top court ruled was unconstitutional.
Previously, the authorities would only accept applications for such ID card changes from people who had undergone full sex reassignment surgery.
Applications will now also be accepted from transgender men who have had surgery to remove their breasts, and transgender women who have had their penis and testes removed.
Such applicants must also prove that they have or have had gender dysphoria, have lived in the opposite sex for at least two years and will continue to do so, and have had hormonal treatment for at least two years and will continue to do so.
Blood tests may be required to prove the applicants are undergoing hormonal treatment.
In a landmark ruling in February 2023, the Court of Final Appeal said the authorities had breached the rights of two transgender men, Henry Edward Tse and Q, by refusing to change the gender marker on their ID cards because they had not undergone full sex reassignment surgery.
A government spokesperson said in a statement that the policy was reviewed in light of the judgment, and the administration is making the adjustment after "having prudently considered the objective of the policy, relevant legal and medical advice, as well as drawing reference from the relevant practices overseas".
Tse told RTHK that the new policy will make it much easier for transgender men to apply for ID card changes.
"For trans men, the new requirement with regard to surgery would be a lot less stringent. So before, it would require hugely invasive lower surgery that includes complete sterilisation, removal of uterus and the ovaries, and also some kind of penile construction surgery. Now the requirement surgically only requires top surgery," he said.
But Tse, who's an activist with Transgender Equality Hong Kong, said there is still a lot Hong Kong can do to be more trans inclusive.
"I still have ongoing concerns regarding the new criteria. Especially with the ongoing hormone test, the immediate update if you change your phone number or address. And not to mention that there's still a sterilisation requirement for trans women. So this is not the end of the legal journey," he said.
monkers
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monkers
Legendary Member
What do you know about the law? Apparently very little.
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Apparently after JKR challenged Scotland's authorities, it perfectly fine to say it in Scotland too.
No criminal offence or NCHI
To be clear trans women are men , always will be men pretending to be women
Re trans issue, JKR has blown the law out of the water. She has publicly stated any woman that is charged with a hate offence stating facts , she will repeat what the woman has said and will expect the police to charge them together.
This law will be repealed as unworkable soon enough or be so watered down with clear examples of non hate speech, it will be toilet paper.
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