multitool
Pharaoh
Not that I'm accusing Aurora of being a Nazi, but wasn't that one of Goebbels trademark propaganda methods? Depicting others as perpetrating the exact behaviour the Nazis did.
Gender again. Sorry!
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Not that I'm accusing Aurora of being a Nazi, but wasn't that one of Goebbels trademark propaganda methods? Depicting others as perpetrating the exact behaviour the Nazis did.
AuroraSaab
Squire
It's your spin that 'there isn't a blanket ban' means service providers have to assess whether to allow each trans individual access on a case by case basis rather than it meaning each scenario (eg toilets, changing room, service provided) should be addressed on a case by case basis.
It's not difficult to understand that when the government gives instructions you don't like it's purely because they are evil bigots, but when you do like their advice you find them to be the voice of reason. Bit inconsistent but that's not unexpected from you.
monkers
Legendary Member
Blanket bans are unlawful ...
Copy this phrase into Google ... human rights - blanket bans - court rulings
A blanket ban on the rights of trans prisoners has been found by the High Court to be unlawful. Likewise Scotland ...
Blanket ban on trans prisoners in female prisons not possible, MPs told
A blanket ban to prevent trans prisoners being housed in the female prison estate would not be possible under the current law, MPs have been told.Public law expert Michael Foran said exclusions set out under the Equality Act, which allow services to stop trans women from accessing female-only spaces, are subject to proportionality and therefore a blanket ban would not be upheld by the courts.
Speaking to the Commons’ Women and Equalities Committee, Foran said: “The point of safeguarding law is that you have to deal with the exceptional case, because if the exceptional case was to happen and it would just be so awful – it would be so incredibly awful – that we need to have a system in place that prevents that from ever happening.
“If we think that, for example, the rape of a female inmate in a prison is one of those categories, then you need a blanket ban. There’s no other way to do it, and you can’t do that under the current legal framework.”
The Committee was taking evidence on the Gender Recognition Reform Bill and its interaction with the Equality Act, following the UK Government’s decision to prevent the bill from becoming law.
Alister Jack, the Scottish Secretary, said the bill would have an adverse impact on the operation of the reserved Equality Act.
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AuroraSaab
Squire
Roxy Tickle said it? Roxy Tickle is currently suing an Australian app which was created for young women to socialise and network on.
Roxy would like to be on the app but was rejected because Roxy was born a man. I don't think Roxy should be allowed on the app.
Roxy would like to be on the app but was rejected because Roxy was born a man. I don't think Roxy should be allowed on the app.
AuroraSaab
Squire
They are, but assessing each scenario and then deciding it's OK to exclude certain ages, sexes, races etc. is not actually a blanket ban and is allowed in the Equality Act.
If what I say above isn't allowed why are sports orgs allowed by law to exclude men from the Women's class? Why are groups allowed by law to offer courses only for over 60's? They do not have to assess each applicant as an individual.
monkers
Legendary Member
I have never met a more fact resistant person than you. That's not a compliment.
monkers
Legendary Member
At least Fair Play For Women understand what you can not ...
https://fairplayforwomen.com/female-only-sport-what-does-the-law-say/#:~:text=2023 by FPFW-,Female-only sport: what does the law say?,be excluded from female sport.
But the act does not provide exemptions for all the things that you claim.
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AuroraSaab
Squire
The same men think being a woman means simply performing a set of sexist stereotypes. Roxy Tickle - whose picture you posted first - is the perfect candidate for fronting a campaign for such men, a campaign that seeks to reduce women to hair, clothes, and mannerisms, and which pretends that this means they are somehow different from other men.
Bit harsh calling Roxy ugly though as it's about Roxy's sex not how Roxy looks.
monkers
Legendary Member
I've never heard of Roxy Tickle, not posted a picture of this person, or called them ugly.
This is you just inventing stuff again.
I guess this is just a distraction after you feeling that you've lost another argument. This is your usual MO though isn't it Aurora?
Do you agree with Fair Play for Women or not, that sport is an exemption stated in the GRA?
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classic33
Me
"On 3 March 2022, Giggle’s lawyers at the Feminist Legal Clinic responded to the complaint, saying Tickle was “considered male” based on her appearance in the selfie and that this was why she had been removed.
“[Tickle’s] gender identity was not known to [Grover] or other Giggle personnel at the time of removal and did not inform the decision to preclude [Tickle] from the app,” the lawyers wrote."
Banned because of how she looked, no other reason. And that's the wording used by the defence.
monkers
Legendary Member
No it was KJK aka Posie Parker.
classic33
Me
Giggle’s(The app owners) lawyers disagree.
The first mention of her was made by yourself. No-one else
monkers
Legendary Member
FFS Aurora ... the EHRC are not the government. The EHRC do not have the competence to give instructions, they have the competence to give advice. However their advice should be compliant with UK law and not be contradictory to it, as is the case.
More fact resistance.
monkers
Legendary Member
The full picture for anyone who hasn't lost the will to live after reading Aurora's phoney statements ...
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/50...trans-rights-sex-definition-legal-biological/
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/50...trans-rights-sex-definition-legal-biological/
