Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

Did you read the High Court Judgement about the waiting list for the former Tavistock GIDS clinic and the evidence of the youngsters concerned.

I did and you posted a link too if I recall correctly. It's the evidence that says stuff like 'We knew X (born male) was a girl because they liked girl things not boy things' ..... Well that's your problem right there, isn't it? Who on earth thinks boys who like ballet are girls, and girls who like climbing trees are boys? Buy the boy a tutu and the girl a pair of climbing shoes and take them to ballet and bouldering lessons.

Yes, the waiting lists are horrendous but they are for most mental health issues. It's obvious that the huge increase in referrals hasn't come out of nowhere and looking at why there has been such an increase - especially amongst girls - was an important part of Cass.

Edit: Forgot the link. Guardian on Cass/cause of increase in referrals:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...out-surge-in-children-seeking-gender-services

... from 50 referrals a year to 5,000 a year.

 

[AuroraSaab]

No, its up to you to prove they are making womens lives more difficult. Cue Aurora posting the same seven photos she has been posting for 2 years.

I have proved it many times over, from jails to sport and other areas. The fact that you don't think the issues that arise from allowing men into women's spaces are important isn't really my problem.

See the above. You've yet to prove how TW affect your life. You can't and you know it.

I'm unlikely to find myself in jail, a major sports competition, or a domestic violence refuge, but I still care about fairness for those women who will. The loss of the right to single sex spaces affects all women.

 

[multitool]

You haven't proved anything.

You are just like the racists who post photos of Muslim paedos to 'prove' that Muslims are all paedos.

 

[AuroraSaab]

You inadvertently prove my point. You rarely see Muslim women charged with sex offences. It's almost exclusively men.

Sounds like the problem is men, not being Muslim. Perhaps you can see how it might be useful to extrapolate that to a wider context.

 

[monkers]

I have proved it many times over, from jails to sport and other areas. The fact that you don't think the issues that arise from allowing men into women's spaces are important isn't really my problem.

Lies are not proof. You've proved your attitude towards a minority group only.

 

[classic33]

I have proved it many times over, from jails to sport and other areas. The fact that you don't think the issues that arise from allowing men into women's spaces are important isn't really my problem.

I'm unlikely to find myself in jail, a major sports competition, or a domestic violence refuge, but I still care about fairness for those women who will. The loss of the right to single sex spaces affects all women.

I don't think you've ever done that.
You chose to use five prisoners for the Irish Prison system to "prove your point". One of whom wasn't in a women's prison, because she was a trans man. Yet you decided because they were a trans person, it suited your agenda. One other was in the country illegally, having entered the state illegally. Possibly through the land border with Northern Ireland.
What were all the other trans women doing, other than trying to simply live their lives?

You have still to answer the question, other than with sarcastic replies, as to why young boys aren't included in your privacy and dignity. Women as you keep on repeating aren't a threat to them, even when cases have been pointed out to you. Your standard response has been a very sarcastic "Well done, you've managed to find another of the minority of women" who have been caught, and convicted, for rape, sexual abuse of minors or murder.

Drop the sarcastic responses, something you insist must done for yourself, when something is brought to your attention that you don't like.

 

[classic33]

You inadvertently prove my point. You rarely see Muslim women charged with sex offences. It's almost exclusively men.

Sounds like the problem is men, not being Muslim. Perhaps you can see how it might be useful to extrapolate that to a wider context.

You might want to check that piece in bold if I were you
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/post-60538

 

[AuroraSaab]

Lies are not proof. You've proved your attitude towards a minority group only.

People aren't blind. Emily Bridges and Lauren Hubbard aren't figments of our imagination. The fact that you give no weight to the issues that arise is your choice; others do. The wider conversation will go on without you because being obnoxious and trying to shut down the discussion hasn't got you anywhere, has it?

 

[Deleted member 159]

Back tracking 😄


View: https://twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1778146725871427836?t=CE5x01UkDVEKDtWporZ_XA&s=19

 

[AuroraSaab]

I don't think you've ever done that.
You chose to use five prisoners for the Irish Prison system to "prove your point". .....What were all the other trans women doing, other than trying to simply live their lives?

If they are in jail they can live their lives in the male estate, in the vulnerable wing if needs be. Women also have lives, you know.

You have still to answer the question, other than with sarcastic replies, as to why young boys aren't included in your privacy and dignity.

They are. I think boys deserve dignity and privacy too. I've never said otherwise.

Women as you keep on repeating aren't a threat to them, even when cases have been pointed out to you. Your standard response has been a very sarcastic "Well done, you've managed to find another of the minority of women" who have been caught, and convicted, for rape, sexual abuse of minors or murder.

Statistically it's tiny though. It'll go up if we starting counting men in the women's stats - then you can come on here and tell us about it I expect.

 

[monkers]

You might want to check that piece in bold if I were you
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/post-60538

Collectively, people with critical thinking skills are wasting their lives by continuing 'discussion' with gender critical people.

Truth, logic and reason are just barriers to what they want. Truth, logic and reason must be abandoned on the altar of their justification for bigotry.

This follows on from the growing intolerance from a previously mostly tolerant country. Thereby, we've heard the phrases, 'gone too far' in relation to say the Same Sex Marriage Act, and 'I'm not a racist but' in the Brexit campaign, to all the bullshit that is now circulated in relation to trans people.

People are being actively recruited into the various hate campaigns. After trans erasure, haters will turn their attention more vigorously to the next group, and their 'successes' will utilise the same tactics of outright lies, false categorisation, false characterisation, false allegation, false dichotomies, false reasoning and the repeated three word slogans. Politicians no longer focus on the wellbeing of constituents or nation building, electoral success relies on division, and that means spreading more hatred. The politicians in the news are those who shout their hate the loudest and most often. Those who do not, the public could not even name.

Those who refuse to play the game are bullied or harassed until their leave the scene, as seen in this place.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Back tracking 😄


View: https://twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1778146725871427836?t=CE5x01UkDVEKDtWporZ_XA&s=19

Both Stonewall and Mermaids have advocated for puberty blockers. Mermaids referred some kids directly to GIDS, bypassing GPs. This claim that they haven't given medical advice is nonsense. Stonewall have been pushing the idea of the innate transgender child for years:

 

[Deleted member 159]

Graham Linehan was spot on years ago


View: https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1778205675644150053?t=x6ZzuNTgbBE3nVz0V_fIhA&s=19

 

[Deleted member 159]

Lots of falsies there Monkers

 

[monkers]

If they are in jail they can live their lives in the male estate, in the vulnerable wing if needs be. Women also have lives, you know.

N here.

You are manifestly incorrect with this, though it is evident that have repeated this many times in the face of correction.

As I understand it, this remains the legal position.

The position of transgender women prisoners with GRCs is different. For this group the overarching rule is at paragraph 4.64 of the Care and Management Policy – they "… must be placed in the women's estate … unless there are exceptional circumstances, as would be the case for biological women". Exceptional circumstances is a high bar; the working assumption must be that transwomen prisoners with a GRC will be placed in women's prisons. However, the Care and Management Policy then requires risk assessment to ensure arrangements for "appropriate accommodation, regime and supervision", including the option that these prisoners will be in women's prisons but not within the general population (and the way in which specific risks can be managed within a specialist unit is further addressed by the E Wing Policy). Hence the policies require steps to be taken to identify and manage any particular disadvantage that would be relevant for the purposes of an indirect discrimination claim. For this group of prisoners too, the requirement to "promote the safety of all individuals in custody" is the objective of the assessment process.