Gender again. Sorry!

[multitool]

@CXRAndy is here for their own sh1ts and giggles; it's not worth taking them seriously.

Oh I realise that, Bromp. As I've said before, the only reason to interact with him is to occasionally call him a knob.

 

[Bromptonaut]

How would you stop a 65 year old turning up to play in an under 18's game? You'd make sure everyone knew it was for under 18's. You'd make sure the under 18's knew they could complain if they wished. You'd make sure the organisers knew they were able to exclude by age if they wished. You'd direct the 65 year old to the appropriate provision.

What wouldn't be right would be if Age Concern went round schools, companies, and councils, telling them they have to let a 65 year old play in the under 18's if he or she identifies as 17.

No argument about age in sport. Gender in sport is an area I agree needs rules so that people with a proven advantage cannot muck with the rules. Similar in prisons.

But my question was about facilities. How do you think society can differentiate Martha born Martha from Martha born Arthur in a changing room or, for that matter, if Martha has been beaten senseless by a man and wants access to a refuge?

 

[AuroraSaab]

How have we managed to do so for the last hundred years?

If 'Martha born Arthur' wants access to a domestic violence refuge why can't they be directed to a more appropriate service or provider? Perhaps you could campaign for third party provision rather than suggesting MBA be accommodated in services meant for women. I'll support you.

 

[Bromptonaut]

@AuroraSaab,

Let me try again. How can you tell Martha was previously Arthur?

 

[multitool]

Weird how few voices are heard from actual victims bemoaning the presence of TW, such as it exists or not. Just loads of noisy uber-opinionated TERFS.

 

[AndyRM]

They're busy getting things wrong on Twitter.

 

[farfromtheland]

Hell yeah.
Can we please stop insulting each other and get on with undermining this image-centred nastinees instead?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Weird how few voices are heard from actual victims bemoaning the presence of TW, such as it exists or not. Just loads of noisy uber-opinionated TERFS.

I have shown the voice of the victims of this multiple times, but you lot choose to ignore, from you as a Nazi it does not surprise me but those who claim to firght for equality i would have expected better, turns out it's more about the ''trans is great'' cult than anything else and or just being who you are. Because if it was about that they would have cared about those times it went wrong and the reasons why it happened.

 

[AuroraSaab]

@AuroraSaab,
Let me try again. How can you tell Martha was previously Arthur?

Do you think that most men who identify as women can pass as women? I could put you a hundred photos up but don't feel the need because it's not about how anybody looks, regardless of your belief that Woman is a costume that gives any man a free pass if they can wear it sufficiently well enough.

 

[AndyRM]

Do you think that most men who identify as women can pass as women? I could put you a hundred photos up but don't feel the need because it's not about how anybody looks, regardless of your belief that Woman is a costume that gives any man a free pass if they can wear it sufficiently well enough.

That's a bold claim.

Trans women aren't costuming, that's a whole different thing.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Weird how few voices are heard from actual victims bemoaning the presence of TW, such as it exists or not. Just loads of noisy uber-opinionated TERFS.

Plenty if you care to look, from women forced to be incarcerated with men, women in refuges that admitted males, lesbians on dating apps and women only groups who have to deal with men.

The fact that you think women aren't 'bemoaning' males in their sports simply shows you are just ignoring the many women who are

It wouldn't matter how many examples there were because there would never be enough to make certain men on here think it's a problem.

 

[AndyRM]

Remember when Glinner pretended to be a woman on a dating site? That was lovely.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I was referring to Bromptonaut's view as given below, which to me suggests that he thinks entry into female spaces is somehow a reward for men who have made an effort. It's not about what anyone wears.

So in effect, and I saw a colleague do this, somebody going male>female will go through steps to feminise their appearance (hormones, electrolysis, maybe learning mannerisms etc etc) and then dress, live and behave, including name and pronouns, in their acquired gender.

 

[multitool]

Plenty if you care to look, from women forced to be incarcerated with men, women in refuges that admitted males, lesbians on dating apps and women only groups who have to deal with men.

The fact that you think women aren't 'bemoaning' males in their sports simply shows you are just ignoring the many women who are

It wouldn't matter how many examples there were because there would never be enough to make certain men on here think it's a problem.

I see your reading skills are still poor and you've just gone on your standard well-worn rant that we've all heard ad nauseam.

Read my post. I said there is a paucity of ACTUAL VICTIMS in women's refuges complaining about the presence of TW.

I've then hinted that there are likely very few TW ever in women's refuges, because there are very few TW.

If, as you are endlessly telling us, that all women faint in fear at the sight of a TW, then you'll be able to provide evidence of abuse victims complaints, won't you.

BTW, I want someone from the UK. Not some random from Arkansas as per your usual 'evidence'.

 

[AuroraSaab]

You're constantly saying self ID hasn't caused any problems in the countries that have introduced it yet you only want examples from a country that doesn't have it yet and still has protections for women under the Equality Act ... Suggests you aren't really interested in looking at anything that contradicts your view that all women are fine with men in their services and spaces.

You can't seriously be suggesting that no UK women have complained about men competing in their sports category though? It wouldn't matter that many have, would it? The bar for any of this stuff being a problem is set so high no infringement on women's rights would ever reach it. The idea of dealing with before it becomes a problem has similarly been dismissed by men on here so often that it's clear there's really nothing, literally nothing, that would give some of you guys pause for thought.