Gender again. Sorry!

[AndyRM]

As I've said previously there's an element of body shaming in some of Glinner's Twitter output.

The Her app owners have decided to include transwomen as lesbians, which is fine - it's their app to do with as they wish - but it's not unreasonable that there is an app for those lesbians who don't wish to be matched/socialise with biological males. Being excluded in principle from such apps seems to get some men very worked up, even though there are plenty of inclusive apps available.

Well yes, it got him so worked up that he created a fake profile on it so he could take pictures of non binary and trans users who've always been allowed on the app. He's done it on other sites too, trying to prove some kind of warped point.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I think his point was that there are men on a lesbian dating app who are obviously male but say they are lesbians, but as Her have decided that's their policy it's a moot point really. It's not about how someone looks, which is why his stunt of posting photos from Her isn't acceptable.

 

[monkers]

I think his point was that there are men on a lesbian dating app who are obviously male but say they are lesbians, but as Her have decided that's their policy it's a moot point really. It's not about how someone looks, which is why his stunt of posting photos from Her isn't acceptable.

 

[AndyRM]

I think his point was that there are men on a lesbian dating app who are obviously male but say they are lesbians, but as Her have decided that's their policy it's a moot point really. It's not about how someone looks, which is why his stunt of posting photos from Her isn't acceptable.

There are many ways he could have made his point (and others) without being an absolute bellend about it then claiming that cancel culture has ruined his life.

No Graham, you lobbed that grenade at yourself sunshine.

 

[monkers]

I think his point was that there are men on a lesbian dating app who are obviously male but say they are lesbians, but as Her have decided that's their policy it's a moot point really. It's not about how someone looks, which is why his stunt of posting photos from Her isn't acceptable.

Yes it's nearly as bad as you asking for samples of people's gametes before you'll believe them. I can't believe that you haven't worked out that sounds like a pretty pervy thing to be doing.

 

[AuroraSaab]

It's you that started the whole 'We have no idea what sex anybody is' line on here. Simultaneously you write at length about erectile dysfunction and the body changes from hrt, as though cosmetic changes have any relevance to what your sex is.

This is the confused and nonsensical line of transactivism. Men who look stereotypically like women should be regarded as women but then when it comes to single sex spaces we can't possibly tell your sex so anybody can come in.

 

[monkers]

It's you that started the whole 'We have no idea what sex anybody is' line on here. Simultaneously you write at length about erectile dysfunction and the body changes from hrt, as though cosmetic changes have any relevance to what your sex is.

This is the confused and nonsensical line of transactivism. Men who look stereotypically like women should be regarded as women but then when it comes to single sex spaces we can't possibly tell your sex so anybody can come in.

No I didn't. I said few of us actually know what our chromosomes are because they aren't routinely tested. Heck not everybody evens knows their own blood group. Neither have I said that people don't know what their own gametes are - that was another one you made up.

In any discussion about the potential of trans women to rape, it is important that people understand the biological facts. Trans women who have undergone sex reassignment surgery can not rape. Trans women who undergo hormone therapy do so in the knowledge that their penis and their gonads will atrophy, that they will lose libido and the capacity of sexual function.

The reason that it is important for people to know this is that you portray trans women variously as perverts, paedophiles, and rapists in order to raise false alarm among women. The notion that trans women transition in order to get closer to women to abuse them is absolutely absurd.

These changes are not merely cosmetic changes, so blatantly you are lying (yet again).

Why do I need to say these things so often? Because you lie so often.

If you can't possibly ''tell somebody's sex when coming in'', then clearly they are not abusing you.

There are existing laws that enable prosecution against sexual or violent offenders. We need the means to identify these criminals.

Unhappily, most offences against women happen in their homes by people they choose to live with. That makes near impossible for the state to intervene until the crime is committed.

I could propose some measures, but you couldn't possibly agree with them since they don't demonise trans women as monsters, so I'd be wasting my time (just like now in fact).

Anyway I'm super-excited as N is coming home this afternoon instead of Friday morning, so I guess I'll leave you to your dystopian fantasy that trans women are the real rapists, that they never get caught, but somehow all get to live in women's prisons just because they want to.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Rowling is a writer. I assume she weighs her words precisely. She is expressing hatred and contempt.

This whole debate is characterised by hatred and contempt…flowing both ways.

People read into what is said what they want to hear.

 

[Rusty Nails]

No idea what you are on about here.

That’s the point.

 

[AuroraSaab]

In any discussion about the potential of trans women to rape, it is important that people understand the biological facts. Trans women who have undergone sex reassignment surgery can not rape. Trans women who undergo hormone therapy do so in the knowledge that their penis and their gonads will atrophy, that they will lose libido and the capacity of sexual function.

The erectile dysfunction or genital surgery of any man is not, and never should be, a relevant determinant as to whether such men should be allowed in single sex spaces. As usual the bar for women's discomfort is set at rape, nothing lower.

 

[icowden]

Trans women who have undergone sex reassignment surgery can not rape. Trans women who undergo hormone therapy do so in the knowledge that their penis and their gonads will atrophy, that they will lose libido and the capacity of sexual function.

We all agree with this.

The reason that it is important for people to know this is that you portray trans women variously as perverts, paedophiles, and rapists in order to raise false alarm among women. The notion that trans women transition in order to get closer to women to abuse them is absolutely absurd.
These changes are not merely cosmetic changes, so blatantly you are lying (yet again).

By the same token presumably you are lying by deliberately mischaracterising Aurora's statements. It has never been suggested that people transition to get closer to women. It has been suggested that men can put on a dress and call themselves Doris in order to get close to women. The current trans ideology makes no distinction between someone who is pre-transition (i.e. technically a man in a dress) and someone who is genuinely trans who is preparing for or undergoing transition therapy.

Why do I need to say these things so often? Because you lie so often.

You are confusing lying with opinion. Hers is different to yours

I could propose some measures, but you couldn't possibly agree with them since they don't demonise trans women as monsters, so I'd be wasting my time (just like now in fact).

You might be surprised.

Anyway I'm super-excited as N is coming home this afternoon instead of Friday morning, so I guess I'll leave you to your dystopian fantasy that trans women are the real rapists, that they never get caught, but somehow all get to live in women's prisons just because they want to.

Again, you have made that up due to failing to distinguish between genuine transwomen and men pretending to be transwomen - all of whom are entitled to be treated as transwomen.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Saying that she finds the views of anyone who disagrees with her to be 'despicable', including those who wished to disagree but remain friends, seems extreme to me.

Would it be too cynical to assume that they very publicly disagreed and yet wanted to remain friends because they saw that both could be favourable to their careers?

Anyhow let's move on @Bromptonaut and @ian have got their liberal, nice bloke, virtue signalling in.

 

[monkers]

It has never been suggested that people transition to get closer to women.

I'm sorry to say you are wrong on this. I think it just a question of you having not seen it, or not remembered seeing it. It's a frequent trope in other places.

 

[monkers]

The erectile dysfunction or genital surgery of any man is not, and never should be, a relevant determinant as to whether such men should be allowed in single sex spaces. As usual the bar for women's discomfort is set at rape, nothing lower.

Risk assessment is an actual thing. Dignity has actual meaning in law, it doesn't mean that you have a right to complain of feeling a bit uncomfortable because the woman using the basin next to you is taller, and therefore you perceive them as trans.

If appearance is not the valid criteria, and not having a penis is not the criteria, what is? Oh yeh, that invisible DNA.

What counts first is safety. There is no evidence to suggest that trans women with a GRC are a danger to women. You are grasping at straws.

 

[monkers]

We all agree with this.

By the same token presumably you are lying by deliberately mischaracterising Aurora's statements. It has never been suggested that people transition to get closer to women. It has been suggested that men can put on a dress and call themselves Doris in order to get close to women. The current trans ideology makes no distinction between someone who is pre-transition (i.e. technically a man in a dress) and someone who is genuinely trans who is preparing for or undergoing transition therapy.


You are confusing lying with opinion. Hers is different to yours

You might be surprised.


Again, you have made that up due to failing to distinguish between genuine transwomen and men pretending to be transwomen - all of whom are entitled to be treated as transwomen.

If you can spot in my writing when something is made up, why are you blind to it in gender critical literature. As @Rusty Nails points out there are those people who only will see what that wish to see.