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Ian H

Legendary Member
Why do you think they needed to be locked?...

Why don't you explain it to me in a patronising manner.
 
Your not averse to being patronising yourself so bit churlish to complain about that.
You've basically explained that radar keys are now needed and yet seem unable to draw the obvious conclusion from that fact, which is that people will cross boundaries and take advantage if those boundaries aren't a. clear and b. enforced in some way, even if it's only asking 'Those parking spaces/seats/toilets are for disabled people'.
 
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Psamathe

Well-Known Member
Nobody's asking for your life history, just a brief word.

I think staff politely saying 'I'm afraid this seat/facility/space is for disabled people only' is acceptable. You saying, 'I know, I do have a disability, it's xxxxx, or I need the loo more often, or even it's an unseen one..' isn't that intrusive.
For me to state my disability means providing medical information. That you fail to understand how intrusive shows you really don't appreciate the nature of (some) disabilities and given how strongly you are arguing about protections for your our group, I am horrified.

Many of these types of argument seem to stem from failing to appreciate the challenges of others and thinking "me". eg (As I bloke) for 4+ months at one employer I had to endure a female member of staff visiting my office each morning and telling me all about her erotic dream involving me from last night (in explicit detail). That issue forms no statistic as she was deputy director of personnel, great personal friend of the director of personnel and it was pre smartphone days when such things could be recorded. Going home at night I have been approached (by a male) as asked if I'd give him a BJ, then offered money for the same, then offered money but just hands ... Again not part of any statistics. etc.

Ian
 

CXRAndy

Veteran
The convention in this country is that you don't ask.
That time has passed, brought about by men claiming to be women invading women only spaces.

Supreme court has clarified these are not female.

Women are now clearly within their rights with their protected safe areas to question why a male is present in their space.

I think it's just dawning on the trans crowd, their ideology has literally hit the buffers in the UK.

Women are back in control of their spaces
 
Yes you made repeated verbal attacks on me. This is what social media enables. We are told by site owners of social media to hide behind avatars. This protects site owners, but it also protects perpetrators, people like you who harass people on social media.

It is perfectly legitimate to insult people who harass, especially as their is no other available recourse.

And of course, your bigotry makes you blind to the reality. Lesbian women are being harassed on the basis of 'you MUST be trans'. Tall women are being harassed on the basis of 'you MUST be trans'. Women who have beaten records in sport are 'transvestigated' with photographs of them and smears expressed in vile cess pits like Mumsnet. Any cis woman who is trans supportive MUST be trans and having sex with their dog.

The harassment of cis women by cis men on the basis that being trans supportive means they MUST be trans, is beyond the pale, and farking ridiculous by obsessives like you. 'A piece of shoot' response is hardly going too far. Who the fark do you people think you are?

And just to remind other readers of the thread, I've been warning about these behaviours - men with obsessions using their faux arguments about protecting women and girls, and in the process harassing women and girls.

'I demand the right to call people c.unts but not be criticised myself'. That's probably in the UN declaration of rights too.

This last desperate pivot is interesting though. Another attempt at forced teaming, trying to get men access to women's spaces by claiming that lesbians and tall women will be removed from the changing rooms because nobody can tell the difference between eg a woman with short hair and a man with long hair. Fascinating.
 
For me to state my disability means providing medical information. That you fail to understand how intrusive shows you really don't appreciate the nature of (some) disabilities and given how strongly you are arguing about protections for your our group, I am horrified.

I guess the radar key is solving your group's problem of people who aren't entitled to use those facilities having unwelcome access. You don't seem very supportive of women wanting to solve their similar problem though, which can't be resolved by giving us a key seeing as we are 50% of the population.


Many of these types of argument seem to stem from failing to appreciate the challenges of others and thinking "me". eg (As I bloke) for 4+ months at one employer I had to endure a female member of staff visiting my office each morning and telling me all about her erotic dream involving me from last night (in explicit detail).
That would be a serious matter in most companies and would be sexual harassment. I'm not sure how it is relevant to the current debate given that statistically women are more likely to face such harassment than men.
 

Psamathe

Well-Known Member
I guess the radar key is solving your group's problem of people who aren't entitled to use those facilities having unwelcome access. You don't seem very supportive of women wanting to solve their similar problem though, which can't be resolved by giving us a key seeing as we are 50% of the population.
I have a radar key though never used it, as most toilets don't use them.

It's not that I'm unsupportive of any particular group, just that some groups face massive challenges that are not being addressed and when you start saying how you see nothing wrong with questioning somebody about their use of disabled facilities this highlights an attitude that is failing to appreciate the challenges faced by other groups.

Ian
 

CXRAndy

Veteran
Rapist's to re classified as men of those who claim/ed to be women

Things are moving fast for the benefit of women and girsl

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/18/trans-rapists-can-no-longer-claim-to-be-women/
 

Psamathe

Well-Known Member
That would be a serious matter in most companies and would be sexual harassment. I'm not sure how it is relevant to the current debate given that statistically women are more likely to face such harassment than men.
It is relevant in that is could indicate that statistics don't capture the full scope of some problems, that statistics can be massively influenced by readiness to report and that there are other groups not getting the attention they deserve.

Ian
 
Rapist's to re classified as men of those who claim/ed to be women

Things are moving fast for the benefit of women and girsl

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/18/trans-rapists-can-no-longer-claim-to-be-women/

Good. Accurate recording of data is very important, including in crime stats. Crimes shouldn't be recorded as female crimes if they weren't (and vice versa). It's renders the stats worthless and undermines the value of analysis to prevent crime and deal with offenders.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...s/woman-adult-nappy-fetish-slept-35072576.amp
 

mickle

New Member
Yes you made repeated verbal attacks on me. This is what social media enables. We are told by site owners of social media to hide behind avatars. This protects site owners, but it also protects perpetrators, people like you who harass people on social media.

It is perfectly legitimate to insult people who harass, especially as their is no other available recourse.

And of course, your bigotry makes you blind to the reality. Lesbian women are being harassed on the basis of 'you MUST be trans'. Tall women are being harassed on the basis of 'you MUST be trans'. Women who have beaten records in sport are 'transvestigated' with photographs of them and smears expressed in vile cess pits like Mumsnet. Any cis woman who is trans supportive MUST be trans and having sex with their dog.

The harassment of cis women by cis men on the basis that being trans supportive means they MUST be trans, is beyond the pale, and farking ridiculous by obsessives like you. 'A piece of shoot' response is hardly going too far. Who the fark do you people think you are?

And just to remind other readers of the thread, I've been warning about these behaviours - men with obsessions using their faux arguments about protecting women and girls, and in the process harassing women and girls.

Ive never attacked you. Have you confused me with someone else?
 

CXRAndy

Veteran
History lesson

2015: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN

2016: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN

2017: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN

2018: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN

2019: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN

2020: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN

2021: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN

2022: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN

2023: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN

2024: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN

2025: We never said they were actually women

🤣
 

monkers

Squire
Ive never attacked you. Have you confused me with someone else?

No confusion. I recognise you by avatar name and the eye avatar which is unchanged since. There is also the matter that your attitudes remain the same.

After having previously and before the start of that thread had early on identified as a lesbian woman; it just often pays to get it out of the way.

I saw posts from Shep who said I was unnatural and that he's fed up with people ramming their identities down his throat.

On what I shall just call 'the ugly thread' which was eventually stopped by mods, you told me that supporting trans rights was all the proof you needed to know that I MUST be trans. After being told you were incorrect, you persisted with this line.

What was lost on you is that likewise, to be supporting cis women's rights you MUST be a cis woman. Only I am not so stupid to make the same mistake and make that accusation.

But it is so typical of men who insist on mansplaining to women what their rights are and what it means to be a woman to use these tactics. You are so absolutist that in your bigotry that you think everyone must listen to you and agree with you, otherwise you will alter their identity to suit your narrative.

You now admit to TERFING on social media in other places, and at the same time that women are complaining about the treatment of the Glinner brigade who spend their time harassing cis women on the internet saying that if they support trans rights they must be fck*ing their dog.

It's laughable that a person like you can claim to be protecting women's rights by not listening to women, and harassing them when they tell you that you haven't got a clue about the lived experiences of women.

It's the everyday experience of women who don't agree with bigotry to be hounded off social media. That leaves the bigots to chant and rant at the world from their own echo chamber of hate ie Twitter or X of whatever that twat Musk calls it now.
 
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